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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I received a reply from Scotrail including the following:

"If you wish to take photographs of this memorial, may I suggest that you complete an application form for filming at stations? Although the form is for filming it will also include taking photographs. The application for can be found on our web site at the following link:
http://www.firstgroup.com/scotrail/content/home/VIEWnews.php?id=00000000100"

The reference seems to require 28 days notice but if I get the opportunity to visit Ayr again then I will contact the station manager direct I think.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gladys Cuttle has kindly pointed out that there is a full transcription of this memorial at the excellent HappyHaggis website http://www.happyhaggis.co.uk/lanark-gswmemorial.htm

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Paul, that's good to know although they have one name listed as John Adamn when I think it should be John Adams.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the William H Holmes listed on this memorial.

Name: HOLMES
Initials: W H
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Second Lieutenant
Regiment/Service: Seaforth Highlanders
Unit Text: 7th Bn.
Date of Death: 15/12/1917
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: IX. A. 17.
Cemetery: GOUZEAUCOURT NEW BRITISH CEMETERY

'The Scotsman' of 27th December 19197 confirms he had worked at the factor's office in St Enoch Station in 1914.

He was the son of John Holmes of Bowmore, Islay and his mother was living in Langside in 1917.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 1:22 pm    Post subject: Charles Byers Reply with quote

Byers, Charles is on the Kilmarnock memorial too.

link.

Should the title of the thread be fully "Glasgow & South Western Railway"?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thread renamed, not sure why I didn't get it right the first time!
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In 2013 we went to view the memorial and the man in the ticket office just let us through and back out again. The memorial includes John Cassels, died 25 September 1915 at Ypres, private in Ist Battalion Royal Scots Fusiliers. Aged 36. He was a railway signal fitter in Irvine and my husband's grandfather.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:06 am    Post subject: Pte. Robert Burns Wemyss Reply with quote

Robert Wemyss

Also on the Dumfries memorial.

(Glasgow Herald 12th July 1915)
"Private Robert Wemyss, H.L.I., attached 1st King's Own Scottish Borderers, son of Mrs Wemyss, 20 Irish Street, Dumfries, was killed in action at the Dardanelles on June 19. Private Wemyss was 20 years of age, and was a fireman with the Glasgow and South Western Railway Company at Corkerhill, Glasgow, before the war."

CWGC
WEMYSS, ROBERT BURNS
Rank: Private
Service No: 19062
Date of Death: 19/06/1915
Age: 20
Regiment/Service: King's Own Scottish Borderers 1st Bn.
Grave Reference: VII. A. 12.
Cemetery: TWELVE TREE COPSE CEMETERY
Additional Information: Son of Mrs. Mary Wemyss, of 116, Irish St., Dumfries.

SNWM
Surname: WEMYSS
Forename: Robert Burns
Rank: Pte
Service number: 7652
Place of birth: Dumfries
Date of death: 10 June 1915
Theatre of death: Dardanelles
Cause of death: Killed in action
SNWM roll: THE HIGHLAND LIGHT INFANTRY
Other detail: latterly 19062 1st Bn. K.O.S.B.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:46 pm    Post subject: L.Cpl. David Jardine Reply with quote

David Jardine

(23rd May 1917 Dumfriess & Galloway Standard)
"Mrs Jardine, 15 Wallace Street, Dumfries, has received intimation that her son, Lance-Corporal D. Jardine, Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders, was killed in action in France on 12th May. The information is contained in a letter from a lieutenant in the same Battalion to Lance-Coorporal Jardine's wife, who resides in Glasgow, in which he states that he was instantaneously killed along with four others by a shell. She has also received a letter from a chaplain, in which he says that he has heard many testimonials to Lance-Corporal Jardine's fine character and his excellent qualities as a soldier. Lance-Corporal Jardine was 30 years of age, and for 16 years was employed on the Glasgow and South Western Railway at St Enoch Station, Glasgow. Two brothers are serving, one in France, the other in Egypt."

JARDINE, D
Rank: Lance Corporal
Service No: 252535
Date of Death: 13/05/1917
Age: 30
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders 1st/6th Bn.
Grave Reference: V. J. 12.
Cemetery: ORCHARD DUMP CEMETERY, ARLEUX-EN-GOHELLE
Additional Information: Son of James Jardine, of Dumfries; husband of Helen McLay Stevenson Jardine, of Glasgow.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The name panels are quite hard to read. Here's a transcription. The names in red have been identified in this thread.

Adams , Godfrey
Adams , John
Alexander , Archibald
Alford , Charles W
Allison , Sam
Anderson , Alexander
Anderson , George
Anderson , Peter
Andrew , William
Armour , John
Armstrong , Robert
Banks , Alexander
Barbour , David
Barrie , William
Beatson , George
Beattie, Llewlyn
Blackwood , John
Blair , James T
Blair , George
Boyd , Hugh
Boyd , Thomas
Breckenridge , William
Brinkworth , Charles F
Brown , Alexander
Brown , Andrew
Brown , Hamilton
Brown , John
Brownridge , Andrew T
Bunce , Herbert
Burgers , John
Burgoyn , William
Byers , Charles
Callander , James
Cameron , Andrew
Cameron , William
Campbell, George
Campbell , Thomas
Carl , John
Carswell , Robert
Cassels , John
Chalmers , Andrew
Chalmers , James
Charteris , William
Clark , William
Coid, Charles
Cole , Robert
Connell , James
Connelly , Bernard
Conning , Robert
Couper , William
Craig , Thomas
Craik , James
Craven , Frank F
Crawford , David
Crawford , Peter
Cunningham, George
Cunningham , William
Currie , Robert
Davidson , Isaac
Davidson , James
Dempsey , John
Dempster , James
Dick , William
Dick , William
Dickson , John
Dickson , Joseph
Dobie , Thomas
Docherty , Donald
Docherty , James
Docherty , John
Douglas , James
Douglas, Richard
Downie , Alexander
Downie , John
Downs , Frank
Drysdale , John
Duff , Archibald
Dunlop , Harry
Edgar , Thomas McT.
Fell , John
Ferguson , Alexander
Ferguson , George
Ferguson , John
Ferguson , Matthew
Findlay , James
Fisher , George A
Forbes , Stuart F
Frater , Alexander
Fulton , Alexander
Galbraith , George
Garven , George
Gavin , William F
Gibson , Charles
Gillies , Joseph
Golden , Thomas
Gordon , James H
Gordon , John C
Graham , James T
Graham , James
Grassick , Peter
Gray , Alexander
Gray , Duncan
Hackett , James
Hail , Duncan
Hamilton , Daniel
Hamilton , Robert
Hannah , Thomas
Hewitt , Geo. Stanley
Hind , George
Hindson , Albert
Hogg, Stewart
Holmes, William H
Houston , John C
Howie , Joseph
Hutton , Robert
Ireland , William
Jamieson , William
Jardine , David
Johnstone , Robert L
Johnstone , James
Kane , Peter
Kean , James R
Keeling , Henry
Kerr , Robert
Kerr , Thomas
Kerr , William
Kerrigan , William
Kiddie , John C
King , James
Kirk , Francis J
Kirkpatrick , James
Kirkpatrick , Robert
Kissell , Richard
Lamberton , William
Lapraik , Thomas
Leslie , James
Ligat , William C
Little , James
Lockerbie , William
Logan , Alfred T
Logan , William
Love , Alexander
Macadam , Henry E
Macgillivray , Ian
Mackie , John
Mackie , William
Mair , John
Marjoribanks , David
Martin , Daniel
Martin , John
Matthews , Henry
Maxwell , Matthew R
Maxwell , Andrew
Maxwell , James
Maxwell , Thomas
McAdam , James
McAleavey , Patrick
McAllister , Alexander
McBride , William
McBurnie , Alexander
McCall , Alfred W
McCartney , Richard
McCluskey , Thomas
McCreadie , Richard
McCulloch , David
McDonald , Archibald
McDougall , John
McEwan , James
McEwan , James
McEwan , John
McEwan , John
McGenn , James
McGhie , Patrick
McGowan , Daniel
McGregor , John
McIntosh , James
McKean , Robert
McKie , George
McKie , William
McKinnell , Fergus
McLean , Daniel
McLean , John
McLean , John
McLeod , Malcolm
McLure , James
McManus , James
McMurtrie , James
McNeillie , Robert
McVey , Donald
McWilliam , John
Meehan , William
Millar , James
Miller , Charles
Miller , Robert
Milligan , Henry
Milligan , Robert
Milner , John
Moffat , John
Morris , William
Morrison , Hugh
Morrison , Hugh
Morrison , Robert
Morrison , Robert
Morrison , Robert
Mossman , William
Moulder , George
Muir , Walter
Mullen , John
Mundell , William
Munro , Alexander
Murdoch , John
Murray , Robert
Neil , George
Neil , Robert
Nicol , John
Nish , Thomas
O'Donelly , James
O'Neil , Henry
Orr , John
Paterson , Thomas
Paton , William G
Paton , James
Peoples , Joseph
Phair , George
Phillips , William
Porteous , Robert
Porter , James
Potts , Edwards
Provan , John
Queay , Hugh
Quigg , Harry
Rae , William
Ramsay , Somerville D
Reilly , Patrick
Richard , George
Richardson , Joseph
Richmond , Andrew G
Richmond , John
Riley , James
Ritchie , David
Rivers , Albert
Robertson , James
Robertson , William
Robson , David
Robson , William
Rodger , William
Rogerson , George
Ross , Robert
Sargenson , William
Sarsfield , George
Sawers , Henry
Scott , Alexander
Scott , William
Selves , Thomas
Semple , Robert
Shanks , John
Sharp , Hugh
Sim , Alexander
Simpson , Peter
Sinclair , Archibald G
Smillie , John
Smith , George C
Smith , James F
Smith , William H
Smith , James
Smith , John
Smith , Robert
Smyth , Thomas
Spiers , Robert
Stewart , David
Stewart , George McC
Stewart , John
Struthers , William
Swan , Peter J
Tait , Thomas
Telfer , Stephen
Telford , William
Thompson , Hugh P
Thompson , John
Thomson , Charles
Thomson , Neil
Tinney , James
Tinto , George
Townson , Harry
Turner , Alexander
Veitch , Charles
Wakefield , James
Walker , John R
Walsh , Andrew
Walsh , James
Warnock , Wilfred
Warrick , Walter
Waugh , William
Wemyss , Robert
White , William
Williamson , William
Wilson , James
Woodside , Fergus
Wright , Joseph
Young , William A
Young , Daniel


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BEATTIE, LLEWELLYN ROBERTSON.
Rank:Lance Corporal
Service No:S/7158
Date of Death:07/01/1916
Age:23
Regiment/Service:Black Watch (Royal Highlanders) 2nd Bn.
Panel Reference:Panel 25 and 63.
Memorial:BASRA MEMORIAL
Additional Information:Grandson of James Beattie, of 89, Queensberry St., Dumfries.

Llewellyn was a locomotive fireman at the Corkerhill Depot of the Glasgow and South Western Railway Company in Glasgow and he enlisted from there in December 1914. He was initially posted to France in March 1915 but transferred, with his battalion, to the Persian Gulf in late December 1915. About a week later he was killed at the Battle of Sheik Sa'ad.
(Source:D&G Standard 19/1/1918 p.3)

He is named on the Dumfries War memorial and on the Townhead Church memorial together with his brother James Beattie, Private (1093 & 240116) 1/5th (Dumfries and Galloway) Battalion, King's Own Scottish Borderers who was killed on 29 November 1917 in Palestine.
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DOUGLAS, RICHARD A. (Addison) GILLESPIE MURRAY.
Rank:Private
Service No:42399
Date of Death:31/10/1918
Regiment/Service:King's Own Scottish Borderers 1st/5th Bn.
Panel Reference:Panel 6.
Memorial:VIS-EN-ARTOIS MEMORIAL

Formerly Private (46305) Highland Light Infantry. (Source:Medal Card)

Richard was employed in the locomotive department of the Glasgow and South Western Railway Company when he was called up in January 1918. (Source: D&G Standard 23/11/18 p.3)
He was the only son of James and Agnes (McKinnel) Douglas of 63 Loreburn Street, Dumfries. (Source: family grave in St. Michael's Cemetery)
He is named on the Dumfries War Memorial and on the St Mary's Church memorial.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CAMPBELL, GEORGE.
Rank:Sapper
Service No:424405
Date of Death:31/12/1917
Regiment/Service:Royal Engineers 98th Light Rly. Train Crew
Memorial:CHATBY MEMORIAL

George had been employed by the Glasgow and South Western Railway Company for more than 19 years and lived with his wife in Irish Street, Dumfries. He was drowned in the sinking of the Troopship “Aragon” outside Alexandria Harbour.
(Source: D&G Standard 26/1/1918 p,2)
He is named on the Dumfries War Memorial and on the Greyfriars Church memorial.

Note: Two of his brothers were also killed but I have yet to positively identify them.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stuart Rankin of the G&SWR Association has very kindly sent the following:

NAS 16/6/10
GSW/1/20 Board Minutes June 1916 to June 1921

Board Minute 829 13/7/1921 Memorial Tablet

With reference to Board Minute of 18 May last, a drawing of proposed Memorial Tablet prepared by Sir Robert Lorimer, A.R.A., F.R.S.B.A., Architect, Edinburgh, was submitted and the subject continued.
Other Minutes 793, 856, 892, 928, 943, 957, 1001, 1023
793 18/5/20, general heading Memorial Tablet – men who fell in the Great War.
A sketch prepared by the Company’s Architect of a proposed Memorial Tablet to be erected at St Enoch Station to the men of the Company’s service who fell in the Great War, was submitted. It was remitted to the Chairman, Deputy Chairman, and Sir Herbert Maxwell.
856 10/8/20
The drawing of the the proposed MemoriaL Tablet prepared by Sir Robert Lorimer was again submitted and it was agreed to erect the Memorial at St Enoch Station at an estimated cost of from £1800 to £2000.
892 5/10/20
Memorial Tablet. Submitted:-
(1) 4 Photographs of similar Memorial Tablets
(2) Sample of Hoptonwood Marble
(3) Sample of Bronze
(4) Sample of stone from Cullaloe Quarry near Aberdour, Fife
It was agreed to delay further consideration until the return of Sir Robert Lorimer, who was at present in Italy, in order to obtain his opinion with regard to the material of which the Memorial should be constructed.
928 30/11/20
Sir Robert Lorimer met the Directors and after some discussion the matter was continued.
943 28/12/20
A fresh design by Sir Robert Lorimer was submitted and the subject continued.
957 25/1/21
The General Manager submitted a further design by Sir Robert Lorimer showing the soldiers’ accoutrements on the pilasters but it was the opinion of the Board that they preferred the memorial without the accoutrements and it was arranged to ask for a section or side view of the proposed memorial showing the depth.
1001 22/2/21
The matter was again considered and continued.
1023 22/3/21
With reference to Board Minute of 22nd ultimo, a further design dated March 1921 by Sir Robert Lorimer was submitted and approved, the panels to be in bronze. It was arranged to send the design to Sir Herbert Maxwell and that with his approval the offer of Messrs. Allan & Sons, Edinburgh, for executing the work at an estimated cost of £1650 should beSt Enoch Station war memorial (continued) minutes 46, 66, 78, 195, 225
46 6/9/21
A letter from Sir Robert Lorimer dated 2nd September suggesting that on account of difficulties in obtaining Dalbeattie Granite, Creetown Granite should be substituted, was read, and the suggestion was adopted.
66 4/10/21
With reference to Board Minute of 6th September 1921: the General Manager submitted further correspondence with Sir Robert Lorimer along with samples of Dalbeattie Granite and Creetown Granite and it was agreed that Creetown Granite should be adopted, seeing Dalbeattie Granite could not be obtained.
78 1/11/21
With reference to Board Minute of 4th October: it was reported that Sir Robert Lorimer has intimated that as a result of his Manager and Mr Allan, Contractor, visiting the Dalbeattie Quarries on 30th September 1921, he has succeeded in procuring the stones required from the Dalbeattie Quarries.
195 18/4/22
It was reported that Sir Robert Lorimer had granted certificates to contractors as undernoted and authority was given to pay the amounts, viz.-
Messrs. Allan & Sons for Dalbeattie Granite surround, taking delivery of bronze work and for erection £750
Mr Charles Henshaw for bronze panels including models £635
£1385
225 13/6/22
Submitted Statement of Sir Robert Lorimer’s fee amounting to £207 15/-, which with the £1385 already paid,, makes the total cost of the Memorial £1592 15/-. Authority was given to pay Sir Robert Lorimer’s fee.
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I have to say that I'm strangely pleased to see that Dalbeattie Granite was chosen.
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COID, CHARLES.
Rank:Private
Service No:620
Date of Death:17/09/1916
Age:19
Regiment/Service:Cameronians (Scottish Rifles) 1st/8th Bn.
Grave Reference:A. 15.
Cemetery:ALEXANDRIA (HADRA) WAR MEMORIAL CEMETERY
Additional Information:Son of James and Euphemia Coid, of 1, Lindsay Place, Greenbrae, Dumfries.

Thanks to Stuart Rankin of the G&SWR Association I now know that Charles was employed as a shunter with the Glasgow and South Western Railway Company.
He was born in 1897 in Dundrennan, Rerrick, Kirkcudbrightshire and died of enteric fever.
He is also named on the St Mary's Church memorial in Dumfries and on the Dumfries War Memorial together with his brother,
John Coid – age 23 – Private (23833) 1st Battalion, King's Own Scottish Borderers, who was reported missing on 3 October 1918.
John was born in 1895 in Auchencairn, Rerrick, Kirkcudbrightshire and the brothers feature in Stuart Wilson's book “Answering the Call – Auchencairn and the First World War”
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