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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 9:08 pm    Post subject: St John's Town of Dalry, Town Hall Reply with quote

UKNIWM 44459

The memorial is inside Dalry Town Hall at OS Map Ref: NX 619 812. The Town Hall is a misleading name, it is more of a village hall and is not normally open. If anyone would like access, let me know and I will see what I can do.

Difficult to photograph the hall itself because of surrounding trees so I took the first photo from my sitting room Very Happy

It would be a big job to transcribe all the names but the crosses marking those who died are not easy to see so I have listed those who died.

WWI Died:
ALEX CLEMENT KOSB
DAVID CUTHBERTSON CH
ROBERT CLARK GH
WILLIAM DICKSON RAMC
ANDREW DOYLE MM HLI
GEORGE FERGUSON RE
ALEX FORDYCE
WILLIAM GALLOWAY CH
JAMES GOOD LS
ROBERT HAMILTON HLI
GEORGE HAMILTON HLI
NATHAN HENRY KOSB
WILLIAM KERR
JOHN KELLY HLI
ARCHIBALD MAIR LC
JOHN MARTIN KSLI
THOMAS MILNE LY
ALEX McCULLOCH KOSB
JOSEPH McCULLOCH CH
JOHN McDOUGAL AY
JAMES McLEOD KOSB
ARCHIBALD McINTYRE SH
ANDREW McNAUGHT KOSB
WILLIAM ROBERTSON HLI
GEORGE THOMPSON ASC
THOMAS WILSON KOSB

WW2 Died:
SGT ROBERT FERGUSON KOSB (AIRBORNE)
SGT JAMES HOWATSON RAF
PTE HARRY KIRK BW
SGT THOMAS KIRK RE
PTE ROBERT LITTLE RASC
CPL ANDREW LEITCH RAF
CPL GEORGE B PENMAN RAF
PTE JOHN THOMPSON 5TH SCOTT (PARCT)

The WW1 names vary a little from the Dalry civic memorial and would bear some comparison and further investigation. The WW2 names on the civic memorial are the same but with one exception, ELMA WOOD NAAFI appears on the civic memorial but is not shown as deceased on this memorial.











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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hats off again to Spoons 'lateral thinking' photographs.
The memorial is a monster - What is below the names - a clock face?
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The interior of the hall is surrounded by wood pannelling to a height of about 7 feet and the memorial stands above the pannelling directly opposite the door and behind where the stage is set up for functions. At a recent town meeting, apparently there was a suggestion that it be removed - after a brief discussion and explanation that there is no alternative site, the suggestion was 'stomped on' (thank goodness).

Incidentally, I know of at least 2 other local village halls that have memorials that I have still to collect, so don't overlook them in your searches.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Additional info sent to UKNIWM 9 Jan 2008

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

See also the photograph of this memorial in Dalry Ex Servicemen's Club at http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=3934

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reverend John Anderson is the first named on this memorial. He survived the war. This photograph is in the vestry of the kirk.

The Rev J Anderson BD
inducted into the Dalry Parish Church 26th September 1907
RAMC 1916 17
ChaPlain to the forces 1917 18 19



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Hugh Clark listed (WW1 survived) was a brother to Robert James Clark who was killed. After the war Hugh was the postman in Dalry until 1957 when he retired to become a lighthouse keeper. In 1960 he was found murdered in the lighthouse.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Extract from my reading at Dalry school's Remembrance Assembly today:

But I would also like to tell you about a man who is NOT listed on any local memorial because he was not killed. His name was Sam Simpson and he served in the Highland Light Infantry. He was the son of a local police constable who served in various places around the Stewartry including Carsphairn and retired to Dalry to live in Glenburn on Main Street.

Sam had two older brothers; George and Mark as well as a younger sister Bessie. He enlisted in November 1915

He and his brothers are listed on the Dalry Roll of Honour in the Town Hall and on the Southwick Roll of Honour.

He was awarded the Military Medal in 1917. In May 1918 he was admitted to hospital suffering from the effects of a gas attack but after three weeks had recovered enough to return to the trenches. But just two days later he was admitted to hospital with gunshot wounds and underwent an operation. We know that his brother George was in hospital convalescing at the same time.

Then just one month before the end of the war and just one day after rejoining his unit from hospital, he was again reported wounded. This time he suffered gunshot wounds in both legs and his wounds were reported as ‘serious’.

In May 1919 he was awarded the silver war badge and discharged as no longer fit for military service.

He was just twenty two years of age when he was discharged.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another WMR/UKNIWM record finally updated after a 9 year wait
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are 3 names listed as having died in WW1 (on this memorial) who are not listed on Dalry's civic (stone) memorial outside the church.

Alex Fordyce - an obituary was published in the Kirkcudbrightshire Advertiser on 29 Nov 1918. Cpl Alex Fordyce of Alloa was killed on 23rd Oct. Before joining the military he was Asst Road Surveyor in Dalry.

Presumably he is commemorated in Alloa.


Corporal
FORDYCE, ALEXANDER
Service Number 39624
Died 23/10/1918
Aged 27
5th/6th Bn.
Cameronians (Scottish Rifles)

Son of Mary Ann Fordyce, of 265, Castle St., Alloa, Clackmannanshire, and the late Alexander Fordyce. A Road Surveyor.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The second name not to be on the civic memorial is John Kelly HLI

John is listed in the Stewartry Roll of Honour and is:

Private
KELLY, J
Service Number 42013
Died 12/07/1917
Aged 26
17th Bn.
Highland Light Infantry
Husband of Annie Kelly, of Glenbum, Dalry, Kirkcudbrightshire.

That address is only four houses up the road from me!

Another address for him (in the Stewartry Roll of Honour) is Townhead Cottage, Dalry.

As he was listed on this earlier memorial, has details in the Stewartry Roll of Honour and his widow remained living locally. I have to assume that the fact that his name is not on the main memorial was at the request of the family.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The third name to be listed here as having died but not on the main memorial is John McDougal AY.
I believe this to be John McDougal of Lochhowie, Dalry (because there is only one John McDougal listed on the ROH. He served with the Lanarkshire Yeomanry (near miss for AY) before being transferred to the Royal Scots Fusiliers.
He was wounded twice but survived the war.
I think that the mistake (of recording him as died) was spotted before the main memorial was built but they never got around to painting over the marker on this memorial which indicates his death.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul - JOHN KELLY is named "just down the road" on the Corsock War Memorial and on the Kirkpatrick Durham Parish War Memorial as:

PTE. JOHN KELLY, K.O.S.B
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John Newlands Kelly – age 26 – Private (42013) 17th Battalion (3rd Glasgow) Highland Light Infantry.
John was employed at Lochenkit Farm, Corsock when he enlisted as Private (4236) in the KOSB in February 1915. He was posted to the 17th HLI in France. A Lewis gunner, he served at Vimy Ridge and Arras, and died of wounds received on 10 July 1917.
(Source:SRoH, SNWM and Medal Roll/Card, and D&G Standard 28/7/1917 p.3)
Born 1892 at Mosshead, Kirkbean, Kirkcudbrightshire. (Source: GRoS – Birth Register)
Son of James and Margaret (Newlands) Kelly of Burnbank, Southwick, Kirkcudbrightshire. (Source:D&G Standard 28/7/1917 p.3)
Husband of Annie (McWilliam) Kelly of Grennan Mill, Balmaclellan and of Glenburn, Dalry who he married in 1912 in Kirkpatrick Durham, Kirkcudbrightshire.
(Source: D&G Standard 1/8/1917 p.3, CWGC and GRoS – Marriage Register)
Died of Wounds – 12 July 1917.
Commonwealth War Grave – Coxyde Military Cemetery, Belgium.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Ken, How did I miss that?

Odd though that both the Stewartry ROH and CWGC have Dalry addresses and he is not listed here.

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