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ROBERT WINTON *Now commemorated*

 
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 1:39 pm    Post subject: ROBERT WINTON *Now commemorated* Reply with quote

In Perth Golden Book;

WINTON; ROBT., PTE., R.A.S.C.

Only two Robert Winton's shown with MIC in ASC - M2/183030 states 'killed'. Cannot 'see' him SNWM or CWGC ?


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He could possibly be this man but I see no Scottish connection

Name: DEWINTON
Initials: R
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Army Service Corps
Unit Text: Mechanical Transport
Secondary Regiment: Royal Engineers
Secondary Unit Text: attd. 8th Railway Operating Coy.
Date of Death: 03/12/1915
Service No: M2/021401
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: IV. G. 23.
Cemetery: BETHUNE TOWN CEMETERY

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 11:31 am    Post subject: WINTON; ROBT., PTE., R.A.S.C. Reply with quote

Mark

He is almost certainly:

L Cpl. M2/034454 Robert Winton, RASC . Chauffeur born Moulin, Perthshire c 1895
Son of Edward Charles Winton, Dunfallandy, Pitlochry

Enlisted 21/1/1915 - Demobilised 1920 to reside at Laurel Bank, Strathtay, Perthshire. No illness shown on his record.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim,

I saw Robt. Winton from Dunfallandy. I also checked deaths for him without success. He has a different MIC from the one who is stated 'killed' !?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 5:28 pm    Post subject: WINTON; ROBT., PTE., R.A.S.C. Reply with quote

Mark

I noticed killed on the MIC, but you cannot rely on these details, and thought the local man more likely. As you say, there is no sign of his death in Scotland to 1926 nor a Robt. Winton RASC died overseas to 1921. A mystery, unless he lived to old age.

Will check further.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found the following but couldn't get him on Free BMD;

THE PEOPLE'S JOURNAL: 04.01.1919
FOR THEIR COUNTRY


WINTON - Accidentally killed, when coming home on leave, at Watford, North London, on 24th December, 1918, Pte. Robert Winton, Q.S.C., R.A.S.C., B.E.F., beloved husband of Margaret Cramb, eldest son of David Winton, 29 St. Katherine's Court, Perth.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:57 pm    Post subject: Robert Winton, RASC Reply with quote

Mark

The death was registered in 1919, quarter 1.
Robert Winton, 30, District Watford , Volume 3 n, page 1249

Let me know when you get the DC.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am currently sourcing death certificates in this case. Updates to follow.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

D.C. obtained - serving at the time of death and qualifies for CWGC status. Details as under:

Pte Winton (M2/183030) was killed when he fell from a train on the London and North Western Railway near Watford Tunnel.

Case to be submitted by Jim Grant (kinnethmont)
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:26 pm    Post subject: M2/183030 Pte. Robert Winton, R.A.S.C. Reply with quote

M2/183030 Pte. Robert Winton, R.A.S.C. has been forwarded as a case, on Mark's behalf, to CWGC / MOD as an in service death.

I am making further enquiries regarding his place of burial.
Will update when further details available.

Well done Mark in finding him.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:42 pm    Post subject: M2/183030 Pte. Robert Winton, R.A.S.C Reply with quote

I am now aware the Robert is buried in a family lair in Jeanfield Cemetery, Perth.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim,

Thanks for update.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:01 pm    Post subject: Pte. Robert Winton, R.A.S.C Reply with quote

The name of Pte. Robert Winton was added to the CWGC Debt of Honour register today.

Name: WINTON, ROBERT
Initials: R
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Royal Army Service Corps
Unit Text: Motor Transport.
Age: 30
Date of Death: 24/12/1918
Service No: M2/183030
N.B.: Recent research has shown that Private Winton is buried here.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Parochial 2. Section E. Lair 486.
Cemetery: PERTH (WELLSHILL) CEMETERY


MISSING NO MORE
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim,

That's good news. Thanks.

Mark
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