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anne park
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 Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 1:52 pm Post subject: BBC News today about Fromelles - John Smith from Forfar |
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Name: SMITH, JOHN
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Royal Warwickshire Regiment
Unit Text: 2nd/7th Bn.
Age: 21
Date of Death: 19/07/1916
Service No: 5704
Additional information: Son of John Smith, of 3, Green St., Forfar.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 22 to 25.
Memorial: LOOS MEMORIAL
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:26 am Post subject: Fromelles (Pheasant Wood) Military Cemetery, |
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This man appears on the CWGC " Working List " which the BBC and some other media sources seem to think is an factual list of those recovered / identified. This is not the case. It is simply a list of those who " might " be among the remains recovered.
None of the remains have been positively identified thus far in the process. All are to be buried in unmarked graves, the first of them this morning continuing through Feb / March. The final man will be re-interred on 19 July 2010 – the 94th anniversary of the Battle of Fromelles.
Decisions on evidence and identity will be taken in March.
There remain some possible casualties residing in Scotland for which no NOK have, as yet, come forward. Details of these are in the May 2009 thread on this subject in the General section.
See
http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=4589
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| Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 6:31 pm Post subject: Cpl Herbert William Stanway surname maybe Stanley |
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| Stanway Herbert William Cpl 265295 7th Royal Warwickshire Regt b Aberdeen e Coventry Killed in Action F & F e 19-Jul-16 Loos Memorial M. R. 19 Panel 22 to 25 |
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kinnethmont
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:06 pm Post subject: British soldiers confirmed among the WWI Fromelles dead |
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MOD ANNOUCEMENT 18 March 2010
Three British soldiers have been confirmed amongst the remains of 250 soldiers recovered from the First World War mass graves at Fromelles in northern France.
The identities of the three confirmed British soldiers remain unknown. However, of the 203 Australian soldiers also among those found, 75 names have now been confirmed. The nationalities and identities of the remaining 44 soldiers are, for the time being, classified as 'unknown'.
While no British soldiers can be named at this stage, families in the UK who have been helping with the identification process have been notified.
Veterans Minister Kevan Jones said:
"Identification is a challenging task and this has been no exception. We are disappointed that there was insufficient evidence to name British soldiers but I would like to thank the families for the support that they have all given to this project.
"Although no British soldiers could be named, I am pleased that we can confirm three as having served with the British Army. What is most important is that these men have all been laid to rest with the dignity and honour they deserve.
"The identification process will remain open for another four years, and I hope that families will continue to make contact."
The above is taken from an MOD announcement. The full MOD article can be found here:
http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/HistoryAndHonour/BritishSoldiersConfirmedAmongTheWwiFromellesDead.htm
Two of the Australians were born in Scotland.
MISSING NO MORE
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kinnethmont
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| Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:01 pm Post subject: Fromelles (Pheasant Wood) Military Cemetery |
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Today CWGC ‘moved’ in the records of those AIF men identified recently from their memorials to the Fromelles (Pheasant Wood) Military Cemetery listing on their website.
The relevent panels may take years/decades to replace but the 75 names on them have now officially ceased to be their commemoration.
75 names were moved as follows:
68 from VC Corner Cemetery Memorial
6 from Villers-Bretonneux Memorial
1 from Rue Petillon Military Cemetery
The final man of the 250 recovered will be buried in July.
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DerekR
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:03 am Post subject: Re: Fromelles (Pheasant Wood) Military Cemetery |
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1 from Rue Petillon Military Cemetery
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Jim,
Can you explain the last entry from Rue Petillon as this man would have either had a marked grave there (so a mistake was made at his original burial?) or that he was the single Australian listed in the cemetery register as:
Other special memorials record the names of two Indian soldiers; and a third group commemorates 15 Canadian soldiers, five from the United Kingdom one from Australia, buried in other cemeteries, whose graves were destroyed by shell fire.
I can understand that the "missing" would have had their names listed on the VC Corner Cemetery Memorial and Villers-Bretonneux Memorial but not be from Rue Petillon Military Cemetery.
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kinnethmont
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:49 am Post subject: Fromelles (Pheasant Wood) Military Cemetery |
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Derek
This refers to Robert Scott who was recorded by CWGC as buried at Rue-Petillon. Allied to the Fromelles recovery it was discovered that he was not the man buried there and so his commemoration has been moved.
Below the original CWGC listing and the new one for Pheasant Wood
Name: SCOTT, ROBERT GRIEVE MONCRIEFF
Initials: R G M
Nationality: Australian
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Australian Infantry, A.I.F.
Unit Text: 32nd Bn.
Age: 21
Date of Death: 20/07/1916
Service No: 1046
Additional information: Son of Andrew Moncrieff Scott and Christian Brydon Grieve Scott, of Upper Keir, Thornhill, Dumfriesshire, Scotland. Born at Perth, Scotland.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: I. L. 46.
Cemetery: RUE-PETILLON MILITARY CEMETERY, FLEURBAIX
Today:
Name: SCOTT, ROBERT GRIEVE MONCRIEFF
Initials: R G M
Nationality: Australian
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Australian Infantry, A.I.F.
Unit Text: 32nd Bn.
Age: 21
Date of Death: 20/07/1916
Service No: 1046
Additional information: Son of Andrew Moncrieff Scott and Christian Brydon Grieve Scott, of Upper Keir, Thornhill, Dumfriesshire, Scotland. Born at Perth, Scotland.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: II. E. 6.
Cemetery: FROMELLES (PHEASANT WOOD) MILITARY CEMETERY
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DerekR
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:14 am Post subject: |
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Does that mean that the occupant of:
Grave/Memorial Reference: I. L. 46.
Cemetery: RUE-PETILLON MILITARY CEMETERY, FLEURBAIX
is now an "unknown"?
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kinnethmont
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:26 am Post subject: Fromelles (Pheasant Wood) Military Cemetery |
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Derek
Afraid so.
That headstone may have already been replaced by the standard steel marker for ‘new stone on order’. It might be the new stone confirms him as Australian, but he is now " KNOWN UNTO GOD "
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kinnethmont
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:50 pm Post subject: Fromelles (Pheasant Wood ) Military Cemetery |
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The new CWGC Fromelles (Pheasant Wood ) Military Cemetery at Fromelles was dedicated today and the final burial took place.
" Ninety-four years to the day since Australian and British troops were sent over the top on the western front to be killed in one of the briefest, bloodiest and most useless battles of the first world war, a cemetery containing the remains of 250 of those killed was dedicated today as the last body to be found was buried with full military honours. "
More here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/19/fromelles-war-cemetery-opens-battle
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teddy
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:17 am Post subject: Robert Grieve Moncrieff Scott |
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Regarding parents information on cwgc - Upper Keir, Thornhill, Dumfriesshire this I think is wrong, And should be Perthshire, not Dumfriesshire. (Both have Upper Keir villages; and I checked all our Dumfrieshire information and nothing on family)
There was article in Sunday Post during May 2010 requesting for family of Robert and article dated 23/5/2010 on Page 33 from his cousin. States that "Robert emigrated from his fathers sheep farm by Loch Tay to Queensland to work with his uncle also a sheep farmer. Robert was in late teens when he left to start a new life and ended up dying in France"
This article confirms from Perthshire and not Dumfriesshire.
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kinnethmont
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:36 pm Post subject: Robert Grieve Moncrieff Scott |
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Teddy
I will check into this. The details are not new, but are those from the original cemetery register and they would have been verified by his NOK.
The address is that of the NOK in the 1920s, Robert might never have lived there. It does though, seem unlikely they moved to Upper Keir, Dumfriesshire from Upper Keir, Perth.
A press article would not be acceptable proof on which to have it changed.
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kinnethmont
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:42 pm Post subject: Robert Grieve Moncrieff Scott |
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Teddy
The NOK details are correct.
In his will of 25th Sept 1915 he left everything to his mother, Christian Brydon Scott, Upper Keir, Thornhill, Dumfries-shire. The IWGC were corresponding with her at this address in October 1924.
Sadly, you cannot believe all that is written in the papers.
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