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WW1 Victoria Cross Paving Stones Announced for Centenary
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kinnethmont



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ken

They could create a list, but it would need to be 100% accurate and there would be a cost in obtaining the suporting official evidence.

As I said, if those are his parents ( as i understand they are) that is where and when he was born. I have no certain evidence they are his parents, nor am I looking for it at my expense.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another related news item.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-23813190
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adjusting the criteria to include "substantial local connections" would allow those born abroad to be commemorated here: however, what betting that may create disputes between birth towns and towns where someone lived!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Half his short life was spent living in or fighting for the UK. He is both a Canadian and British hero.

Maybe so, but he was Canadian by birth. I would expect Canada will recognise their VC winners in similar fashion, so he will be commemorated.

The VC is a great magnet. There would be no disquiet if he was Pte. Phillip Bent.

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Director Sunder Katwala said: "We should ensure that all VC winners with a substantial local connection are honoured in the most suitable place.

They could have done that years ago.




Just spotted this one on
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http://www.victoriacross.co.uk/scottish.html

Gunner, McINTOSH, George Imlach, born Buckie, Banff.


He was a Private in the 6th Gordons, born at Portessie, Rathven, Banffshire
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another group are upset Sad

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-23944594
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It'll be interesting to see what the governments alternative/additional plan is. Hopefully it doesn't muddy things further!

Letting groups campaign/apply for stones for non-UK born won't work.

That'd end-up with some overseas born being marked, others forgotten.

That'd defeat the purpose of the exercise and encourage disputes.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just been looking into the background of this man.
Name: ANDERSON, WILLIAM HERBERT
Rank: Lieutenant Colonel
Date of Death: 25/03/1918
Age: 36
Regiment/Service: Highland Light Infantry, 12th Bn.
Awards: V C.
Grave Reference: II. G. 36.
Cemetery: PERONNE ROAD CEMETERY, MARICOURT
Additional Information: Son of W. J. Anderson, C.B.E., of Strathairly, Largo, Fife, husband of Gertrude Campbell Anderson, of 23, Abingdon Court, Kensington, London.

He's listed with his three brothers (all killed during WW1) on the family gravestone in New Kilpatrick Parish Churchyard in Bearsden north of Glasgow. http://scottishwargraves.phpbbweb.com/viewtopic.php?p=23521&mforum=scottishwargraves#23521
All the sources are a bit vague about his birthplace (it was in Kelvin in Glasgow on 29 December 1881 - indexed as 1882 on scotlandspeople)
and I don't see him on the Government's schedule of birth locations!
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/one-year-to-go-to-first-world-war-centenary

There are two William Andersons, one in Elgin and one in Dallas both Moray but I think that this is the same man - and I suspect William Herbert Anderson is not listed.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There are two William Andersons, one in Elgin and one in Dallas both Moray but I think that this is the same man - and I suspect William Herbert Anderson is not listed


I would agree. Dallas and Elgin are not far apart, but not the same place.

William Herbert Morrison was born at Kelvin. There is a William Anderson born at Elgin in 1885, but one at Dallas in 1886. You would need to establish his date of birth to confirm further. The VC winner was in the Green Howards.

More about him here :
http://rhf.org.uk/Books/AndersonVC.pdf
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim - I'm not touching William Anderson's history with the proverbial barge pole Shocked
The Yorkshire Regiment (The Green Howards) site gives his DoB as 1882.
http://www.ww1-yorkshires.org.uk/vc-winners-yorkshires/html-files/vcgc-william-anderson.htm
I'll leave this argument to you North-Easterners. Confused
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ken

Nor me. If " proper " research confirms the birth and parents it must then be he was born in the Parish of Dallas, Morayshire.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a small piece in today's Berwickshire News regarding the plans which mentions that Lord Ashcroft and others are to judge the designs for the paving slabs.

In a local context - it carries a picture of Piper Laidlaw, mentioning that he is to be remembered with a slab. However it references him as at Norham which is where he latterly lived and died and where he's buried. That's the sort of scenario I mentioned previously which could cause problems, if for example Northumberland were given his slab (due to that 'Berwick' error).
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kenneth Morrison wrote:
The following link is to the UK Government press release. Within it there are links to more detailed information including a series of spreadsheets - one for each country - naming the VC winners, their birth towns and the local council. I think all the Dumfries & Galloway men are there although James Mackenzie is shown as Kirkcudbridgeshire and William Clark-Kennedy is shown as born in Castle Douglas. He was born in 1879 in Dunskey, Portpatrick, Wigtownshire.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/one-year-to-go-to-first-world-war-centenary


The schedule appears to have been updated (I won't say improved)
The entry for William Herbert Anderson now has:
WILLIAM HERBERT ANDERSON DALLAS/GLASGOW MORAY/GLASGOW

Items in red "reflect historical uncertainties" - should that be geographical uncertainties?????
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From a local perspective I'm happy to see that Piper Laidlaw now appears under Scotland & Scottish Borders, not England & Berwick.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At our next Community Council meeting there's a bloke from Dumfries & Galloway Council attending to talk about the memorial paving slab for Louis McGuffie in Wigtown. I understand there may be a "working group" set up. Which prompted me to wonder whether there are any issues/problems/good practice emerging yet. I know it's early days but it may be an idea to share some of these though I wouldn't want to air dirty linen.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have we had any photographs of slabs unveiled yet? In Wigtown we'll be having a consultation about the location of Louis McGuffie's paving slab and it would help if we could show pictures of any that have been unveiled. I think I saw on BBC Scotland the other week one being unveiled at Glasgow Green.
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