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DelBoy
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 Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:47 pm Post subject: CWGC scrambled info? |
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Some casualties on CWGC have info that isn't always obvious (certainly to me) what it means. Here's two examples.
Name: SMITH, ROBERT
Initials: R
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Stoker 1st Class
Regiment/Service: Royal Navy
Unit Text: (RFR/CH/B/7495). H.M.S. "Hawke."
Age: 27
Date of Death: 15/10/1914
Service No: SS/102811
Additional information: Son of the late William and Elizabeth Low Smith, of Brechin.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: 5.
Memorial: CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL
Name: YOUNG, DAVID BUCHAN
Initials: D B
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Serjeant
Regiment/Service: Royal Army Medical Corps
Unit Text: Details, Bangalore
Date of Death: 16/08/1917
Service No: 72124
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 42.
Memorial: BASRA MEMORIAL
Anyone able to explain? |
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DerekR
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:15 pm Post subject: Re: CWGC scrambled info? |
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| DelBoy wrote: |
Unit Text: (RFR/CH/B/7495). H.M.S. "Hawke."
Age: 27 |
RFR is Royal Fleet Reserve
CH is Chatham
B7495 is his former regular naval number
It looks like he enlisted in 1906 for 5 years and was called back to the colours in August 1914.
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DelBoy
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for that Derek. I knew it must have some bearing upon the man but it's not usually in most CWGC entries.
On a similar subject, I've wondered why some CWGC casualties only have their initial listed and not their full forename? Is it simply not recorded?
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | On a similar subject, I've wondered why some CWGC casualties only have their initial listed and not their full forename? |
Derek
The basic details which appear are those supplied to CWGC by the relevant authority. This included the intial only.
Later the NOK were asked to supply additional details. In most cases, but not always, they requested the christian name be included.
Below is a basic entry and one with full details provided by his NOK.
Name: GORDON
Initials: R C L
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Second Lieutenant
Regiment/Service: Gordon Highlanders
Unit Text: 8th Bn.
Date of Death: 30/09/1915
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: III. N. 3.
Cemetery: WIMEREUX COMMUNAL CEMETERY
Name: GORDON, WILLIAM HYDE EAGLESON
Initials: W H E
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lieutenant
Regiment/Service: Gordon Highlanders
Unit Text: 8th Bn.
Age: 22
Date of Death: 30/09/1915
Additional information: Son of Maj. Archibald Alexander Gordon, C.B.E., M.V.O. and Maude Gordon, of Monksbarn, Maugersbury, Stow-on-the-Wold, Glos. Born at The Old Mill, Coalstoun, East Lothian. Educated Haileybury and Sidney Sussex College, Cambridge University. Studying for Holy Orders when war broke out and at once joined up.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: I. B. 17.
Cemetery: ETAPLES MILITARY CEMETERY
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DelBoy
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:29 am Post subject: |
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I see, thanks for that explanation Jim.
I had no idea so much of the CWGC record was supplied by the N.O.K.
Derek. |
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DelBoy
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CAMPBELL, JOHN
Rank: Private
Service No: 331800
Date of Death: 02/11/1916
Age: 26
Regiment/Service: Highland Light Infantry (4649). 9th (Glasgow Hdrs.) Bn.
Grave Reference: XXXIII. D. 6.
Cemetery: SERRE ROAD CEMETERY No.2
Additional Information: Son of John and Amelia Campbell. |
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DelBoy
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:46 am Post subject: |
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Ah i see, he had two H.L.I. numbers?
Thanks for the info.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:47 am Post subject: |
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Hi Derek,
The reason for two numbers with the same regiment was that he served with a territorial battalion. In early 1917 (officially 1 March 1917), all territorials were renumbered within specified 6-digit number blocks - the 9th (Glasgow Highlanders), Highland Light Infantry was issued the block 330001 to 355000.
Of course, the obvious difference with this man is that he was dead before the renumbering came into effect. There are hundreds of similar examples, all of which, to my knowledge, were due to the men being posted missing but not officially declared dead by early 1917, so were still on the nominal roll of the battalion and therefore renumbered.
Best wishes,
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DelBoy
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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I'd never heard of the renumbering of territorials.
Cheers for that Stuart.
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