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Kenneth Morrison
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:34 pm Post subject: Military Medal awards |
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Anyone know a quick ("simples") way of confirming the award of the Military Medal?
I have three men on the Tongland Parish Memorial - Samuel Dalziel and two of the McLellan brothers, David and Rowat, who are listed as M.M. but I cannot seem to confirm any of them.
http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=1020
Is there an easy way to use the London Gazette search function?
Any other ideas - please? _________________ Ken |
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kinnethmont
Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 1649 Location: Aberdeenshire
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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Ken
Rowat McLellan's medal card has MM on it, but odly it is struck through. SNWM lists an award to him of the MM, the only one of the three.
Nothing on Dalziel's card, nor David McLellan.
David McLellans service file shows him awarded the 14-15 Star, War and Victory only. _________________ Jim
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
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DerekR Moderator
Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 3013 Location: Hawick, Scotland
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:08 pm Post subject: Re: Military Medal awards |
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Kenneth Morrison wrote: |
Is there an easy way to use the London Gazette search function?
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Ken,
In a word: NO!
It is the most useless piece of software ever - even surpassing Itunes for incompetence.
Do you have any further details on your boys? Regiment, date of death etc? _________________
Time but th' impression stronger makes, As streams their channels deeper wear. |
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Kenneth Morrison
Joined: 29 Sep 2008 Posts: 7779 Location: Rockcliffe Dalbeattie
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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Derek
Samuel Dalziel, Corpl.24996 - 6th KOSB. 30/9/1918
David McLellan, Pte. S/8296 - 2nd Gordons. 25/9/1915
Rowat McLellan, Sgt. 5490 - 2nd Seaforths. 12/6/1918 _________________ Ken |
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DerekR Moderator
Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 3013 Location: Hawick, Scotland
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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I've searched the London Gazette and had no luck with any of them. _________________
Time but th' impression stronger makes, As streams their channels deeper wear. |
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Stewartry
Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 274 Location: nr Nottingham
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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:24 am Post subject: |
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Ken,
My files indicate that only Rowat was awarded the MM - London Gazette - n.b. 'S/' prefix since he was a war time enlistment.
A quicker, and usually reliable, way of checking is to use surname and number only on the NA MIC search (first names are usually initials only). Returns under WO 372/23 are MM and DCM awards. Likewise, WO 372/24 are usually MiD and TFEM.
Stuart _________________ www.sonsofgalloway.org.uk
5th KOSB
Stewartry RoH
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Kenneth Morrison
Joined: 29 Sep 2008 Posts: 7779 Location: Rockcliffe Dalbeattie
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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for all your help guys.
Stuart do you know if the Samuel Dalziel is the same man who is listed on the Balmaclellan WM?
http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=528
He is shown as a Sgt. KOSB with M.M. and SNWM has him as born in Parton. _________________ Ken |
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Stewartry
Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 274 Location: nr Nottingham
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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, the same man, I'm sure. His father was noted in the local paper as 'the late Mr Samuel Dalziel, roadman, Ewanstone, Balmaclellan'.
I don't know how the belief arose that Samuel had been awarded the MM. In David McLellan's case, I think there may have been some confusion as to which brothers the MM was awarded. In addition to Rowat, another brother, Gilbert, was also a MM recipient.
Stuart _________________ www.sonsofgalloway.org.uk
5th KOSB
Stewartry RoH
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DelBoy
Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Posts: 4858 Location: The County of Angus
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:03 am Post subject: Sgt. Walter Redpath |
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I have a similar query.
On North Berwick there is listed W.K. Redpath, Sgt. M.M. Bar but my attempt to use the London Gazette has come up with nothing. I think this is his CWGC entry and it makes no mention of it, but the same man on SNWM does?
Can anyone help clear this up?
CWGC
Name: REDPATH
Initials: W
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Serjeant
Regiment/Service: Machine Gun Corps (Infantry)
Unit Text: 1st Coy.
Date of Death: 31/08/1916
Service No: 20370
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: I. E. 30.
Cemetery: FLATIRON COPSE CEMETERY, MAMETZ
SNWM
Surname: REDPATH
Firstname: Walter
Service Number: 20370.
Date Death: 31/08/1916
Decoration: M.M.
Place of birth: Melrose Roxburgh
Other: formerly 8684 Cameron Highrs.
SNWM roll: MACHINE GUN CORPS
Rank: Sgt |
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Stewartry
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Derek,
Here is the link to his MM award in the London Gazette. I can't find any mention of a second award. The CWGC should update his entry if you supply the LG page/reference.
Cheers,
Stuart _________________ www.sonsofgalloway.org.uk
5th KOSB
Stewartry RoH
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DelBoy
Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Posts: 4858 Location: The County of Angus
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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Good work Stuart,
I had the feeling it was on the memorial in error, like some on the forum have found to be previously, glad it isn't though!
Cheers,
Derek. |
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DelBoy
Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Posts: 4858 Location: The County of Angus
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:07 pm Post subject: L.Cpl. Harry Mansfield Lowe M.M.? |
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14133 Lance Corporal Harry Mansfield Lowe. M.M.?
Again I've a man who is mentioned in certain sources as having the M.M. but it's not on his CWGC listing, nor his Headstone.
It is on his SNWM entry, Rothesay war memorial and mentioned in his newspaper obituary (below).
If anyone can find a mention in the London Gazette or see it on his M.I.C. or military records that'd be helpful.
Cheers,
Derek. |
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kinnethmont
Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 1649 Location: Aberdeenshire
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:12 pm Post subject: 14133 L/ Cpl. Harry Mansfield Lowe. M.M. |
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Derek
The award of the M.M was gazetted Oct 1916. Will forward evidence to CWGC which should see their record changed in due course.
M.M. is missing from the headstone since the stone uses the detail held by CWGC. _________________ Jim
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
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DelBoy
Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Posts: 4858 Location: The County of Angus
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:34 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for that Jim, I can't find anything on the London Gazette back issues when I search
It's good to know his listing & headstone will reflect his gallantry award eventually.
Derek. |
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DelBoy
Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Posts: 4858 Location: The County of Angus
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:33 am Post subject: L.Cpl. John Buchanan M.M.? |
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And another I cannot find in the Gazette. John Buchanan 290671 in NA MIC search. War Return gives D.o.D as between 23-25 April 1917. Probably listed on Mossgreen war memorial, no gallantry awards can be seen by any entries on that memorial.
CWGC
BUCHANAN, J
Rank: Lance Corporal
Service No: 290671
Date of Death: 23/04/1917
Regiment/Service: Black Watch (Royal Highlanders) 1st/7th Bn.
Grave Reference: II. B. 32.
Cemetery: BROWN'S COPSE CEMETERY, ROEUX
SNWM
Surname: BUCHANAN
Firstname: John
Service Number: 291671
Date Death: 25/04/1917
Decoration: M.M.
Place of birth: Cowdenbeath Fife
Other: 7th Bn.
SNWM roll: THE BLACK WATCH (ROYAL HIGHLANDERS)
Rank: L/Cpl
Is SNWM wrong in this case?
Derek.
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