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Moniaive, Unknown memorial at Jarbruck farm

 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:38 pm    Post subject: Moniaive, Unknown memorial at Jarbruck farm Reply with quote

Not listed on UKNIWM

Location - in field overlooking Jarbruck farm near Moniaive at OS Map Ref NX 803 896.

This one is a real puzzle, I hope someone can help me solve it. I saw 'mon' on an OS map so went to take a look. What I found you can see in the photos below. The text looks like Latin but I am not convinced, the words are latin (with I think an odd spelling mistake) but when I translate them it makes no sense. It is almost as if someone just carved random latin words. The four sides contain names of Nelson, Wallace, Oliver Cromwell and 1854. Now 1854 is probably the date that it was carved but it is also the date of the Charge of the Light Brigade of course. The block is cut and wedged in place atop a natural stone.

Both my wife and I, quite independantly, had thoughts that it might be some sort of apprentice piece for a stonemason.

I can find no reference to it on the internet using my local sources. I could not find anyone to ask at Jarbruck, but I asked at Ingleston Mains farm, just a half mile away, and a very helpful lady told me that she knew nothing about this monument.

Because of the names carved, I think it appropriate to post on this forum until someone can show different. Any ideas?











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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've not got a clue.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the translation of the Latin?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found this on the net, would this be the same monument?

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Ingleston Mains: Martyrís Stone just N of farmhouse commemorates 5 Covenanters who were shot in the farmyard April 28 1685.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

David McNay wrote:
Found this on the net, would this be the same monument?

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Ingleston Mains: Martyrís Stone just N of farmhouse commemorates 5 Covenanters who were shot in the farmyard April 28 1685.

Nope, that's about 300 metres away, got that one, will be posting it later.

Translation of latin is my problem, from the little latin I know and using an online translator, the phrase "non illi imperium pelogy" translates as "not in that sovereignty a clam". And the best result I can get for "honneur aux braves excelse turri humiliis columna" is "honneur aux reward elevations turri to abase cultivate". I think there is someone in the village with latin to a decent standard so I may try and impose upon them.

\Paul
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spoons wrote:


Translation of latin is my problem, from the little latin I know and using an online translator, the phrase "non illi imperium pelogy" translates as "not in that sovereignty a clam". And the best result I can get for "honneur aux braves excelse turri humiliis columna" is "honneur aux reward elevations turri to abase cultivate". I think there is someone in the village with latin to a decent standard so I may try and impose upon them.

\Paul


Looks like a mixture of latin and French.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As we don't know what this is it can't be posted on UKNIWM/WMR
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