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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:25 am    Post subject: What is OMFC Reply with quote

William Geddes Pte OMFC Cullen Memorial
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 9:47 am    Post subject: Re: What is OMFC Reply with quote

anne park wrote:
William Geddes Pte OMFC Cullen Memorial


I wonder if it is OMFG or even QMFC or something like that?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about Overseas Military Forces of Canada?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AAC is Army Air Corps in the modern army but no idea what it was in 1916!

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GEDDES, W
Initials: W
Nationality: Canadian
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Canadian Infantry (Central Ontario Regiment)
Unit Text: 3rd Bn.
Date of Death: 11/07/1917
Service No: 438057
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: II. E. 9.
Cemetery: LA TARGETTE BRITISH CEMETERY, NEUVILLE-ST. VAAST

His CEF attestation papers give his name as William and nok residing in Cullen

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:07 pm    Post subject: R.E.F. Reply with quote

On the Mid Calder memorial is J. Mallon of the R.E.F.

Could is be a miss spelled Royal (E?)nniskilling Fusiliers?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:44 pm    Post subject: R.E.F? Reply with quote

Royal Engineers (Field Coy)?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:36 am    Post subject: Re: R.E.F. Reply with quote

DelBoy wrote:
On the Mid Calder memorial is J. Mallon of the R.E.F.

Could is be a miss spelled Royal (E?)nniskilling Fusiliers?

Derek.


I think you are correct - SDGW has this man born in Co. Antrim Resident in Linlithgow.

Name: MALLON, JOSEPH
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Corporal
Regiment/Service: Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Date of Death: 27/02/1918
Service No: 18770
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Pier and Face 4 D and 5 B.
Memorial: THIEPVAL MEMORIAL
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The town is called Enniskillen so I can see it would be an easy mistake to make.

I've not found a difinitive answer online why one was chosen for the regiments and one for the town.

Inniskilling and Enniskillen are both historic names by the looks of it and Inniskilling was used in both the infantry and cavalry regiments' names.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Adam that OMFC is Overseas Military Forces of Canada.

AAC in WW1 parlance is, I believe, the Army Audit Corps based in Egypt.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roxy wrote:
I agree with Adam that OMFC is Overseas Military Forces of Canada.

AAC in WW1 parlance is, I believe, the Army Audit Corps based in Egypt.

Roxy


The British Army has never had an Audit Corps, the US Army has one but was created much later (after WW2 I think).

We did have a Corps of Military Accountants who had some responsibility for auditing, they only existed from 1919 to 1925 and were (I think) an all officer corps.

There was some discussion about AAC in a non-com thread for someone who went missing in Cairo - a civilian working for the Army Audit Office I seem to remember.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul,

That's where I got the detail from. There is a link on the thread to the Great War MIC for a Civilian Captain Davis Dinan of the Army Audit Corps.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=2791649&queryType=1&resultcount=113

I'm not paying the 2 to check it out though! Wink

Roxy

Edited to add that I had a look on Ancestry, but couldn't find Davis Dinan.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roxy wrote:
Paul,

That's where I got the detail from. There is a link on the thread to the Great War MIC for a Civilian Captain Davis Dinan of the Army Audit Corps.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=2791649&queryType=1&resultcount=113

I'm not paying the 2 to check it out though! Wink

Roxy

Edited to add that I had a look on Ancestry, but couldn't find Davis Dinan.


Found it on Ancestry, incidentally indexed there as Denis Dinan, but Davis is right I think. It certainly says Army Audit Corps on the MIC but that is wrong, it never existed. The Army Audit Office were staffed by Army Audit Office Staff, these were civilians (as Dinan was) and often a rank equivalent is given (here his rank equivalent was Captain) this was done primarily to know whether he should make use of the officers, sergeants or junior ranks accommodation and facilities.

I don't know what we should put here though - perhaps Army Audit Corps (which did not actually exist)?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul,

Well done! There are enough erudite folks in 't'interweb land saying that the AAC didn't exist for me to believe them.

Was the MIC British (or Canadian, NZ, Australian, Indian or South African) - I had a thought that this may not be a British unit.

As AAC is what is depicted on the Cullen War Memorial, I'd suggest that we leave it as AAC - by all means adding the correct term as well.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

looks like a British one to me, red print on pink, form number K1380

I very rarely make an absolute statement like that but having spent 27 years in the Royal Army Pay Corps and given talks on origins of pay and accounting services in the British Army, I feel qualified to comment. I also have in my bookcase a copy of Trust and Be Trusted, the history of the Royal Army Pay Corps.

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