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dalblair
Joined: 26 Aug 2010 Posts: 564 Location: coupar angus
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:19 am Post subject: John Russell Millar Eng Lt |
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I can find little about this man-he is listed in the Morgan Academy ROH as having died on 5th July 1915 when his ship was sunk by a mine.He is not on CWGC or Navalnet that i can see and i can`t see a ship sunk on that date either.He was the son of TM Millar,Glenvarloch,6 Argyle Street,Dundee and had a youger brother Douglas who was killed at Thiepval.
Any help/pointers gratefully accepted.
Hugh |
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tanyagar
Joined: 01 Sep 2013 Posts: 121 Location: France
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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On Ancestry, there's a John R Millar in the UK naval medal and award rolls with what looks like a date of death of 5/7/1915 in the remarks column. He's ranked Engr, with "Valiant" in the column headed 'No.' Could that be your ship?
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Adam Brown Curator
Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 7312 Location: Edinburgh (From Sutherland)
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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There were two Valiants in the First World War. HMS Valiant was a battleship which didn't enter service until 1916 and HM Yacht Valiant II which was in service in 1915 and was involved in a collision in May 1915. It didn't sink though.
I can find nothing online for a merchant vessel called Valiant involved in any incident in 1915.
I did a search on the CWGC for Millers and Millar and for aliases on and around 5th July 1915 and came up blank too.
Thanks
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Adam Brown Curator
Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 7312 Location: Edinburgh (From Sutherland)
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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A further search on the CWGC database shows that the only naval deaths on 5th July 1915 were sailors in the Royal Naval Division at Gallipoli.
The Dundee Roll of Honour has an entry for:
Miller John R., Sub-Lieutenant Engineer, Royal Naval Reserve
Sub Lieutenant Engineer seems to be an RNR rank looking at other entries in the CWGC database
I've downloaded a spreadsheet from the CWGC website of all the naval entries for the First World War and I can find no entry which could be Sub-Lt Engr Miller. There's nothing close for rank, unit, surname, firstname, date of death etc which I can see.
I would suggest that Sub-Lt Engr Miller is a Non-Com and any evidence of his service and death - if it can be found - shouldbe forwarded to the CWGC.
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dalblair
Joined: 26 Aug 2010 Posts: 564 Location: coupar angus
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:11 am Post subject: |
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Tanya/Adam,
Thanks for the suggestions.One of the problems is the total lack of any evidence about his service/death so far.Is there a crew list for HM Valiant II? It might be possible that he died when it was struck by a mine without sinking?
I`ll keep digging with the local sources but so far no joy!
Hugh |
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dalblair
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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Have come across more information which seems to indicate that he died at Gosport on 5th July-i suspect from flu- would still expect to see him in CWGC.
Are there other ways of checking hospital deaths? |
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Kenneth Morrison
Joined: 29 Sep 2008 Posts: 7760 Location: Rockcliffe Dalbeattie
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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Hugh - FreeBMD has a death of JOHN R MILLAR age 29 in the July - September Quarter of 1915 at Alverstoke, Hampshire
[Volume 2b page 597]
This registration district became part of Gosport in 1932 so it's in the right area.
Sending for his Death Certificate may be the only way forward. _________________ Ken |
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Kenneth Morrison
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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1911 census John Roger Millar, Engineer Marine, age 25 born Dundee and his wife Daisy Emily (Attrill) Millar (who he married in 1910 in Southampton) were living with her parents John and Emily Attrill at 72 New Road, Southampton.
1901 census at Baxter Park Terrace, Dundee
Thomas M Millar 46
Jane R Millar 46
Mary R Millar 20
John R Millar 15
Nelly C Millar 13
Thomas A Millar 11
Douglas A Millar 8
I'm beginning to wonder if he was serving in the Mercantile Marine when he died and so wouldn't qualify for inclusion on the CWGC Register _________________ Ken |
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Kenneth Morrison
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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There's an Index of Wills on Ancestry which includes:
MILLAR John Roger of 72 New Road, Southampton, marine engineer, died 5 July 1915 at 65 St. Edward's Road, Alverstoke, Hampshire.
Probate Winchester 24 September to Daisy Emily Millar widow. Effects £227 10s 3d. _________________ Ken |
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Kenneth Morrison
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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The Dundee Courier 24/7/1916 p.4 has a report on the death of 2nd Lt Douglas Archibald Millar. The report finishes with "This is the second bereavement ...........Their eldest son Engineer John R. Millar, who was 29 years of age, died in hospital from injuries sustained as the result of his vessel being mined." _________________ Ken |
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dalblair
Joined: 26 Aug 2010 Posts: 564 Location: coupar angus
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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Ken,
Fantastic digging!! I now have much more flesh on the bones of this man.
I don`t quite understand why he is not on CWGC as many Marine men are but presumably if his dc corroborates the courier article i can submit him for inclusion.
Many Thanks
Hugh |
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