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Joann46



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 12:59 am    Post subject: re . isacc pagan war memorial Reply with quote

i dont understand most of this but i have been told my grandfather name is on the war memorial in Annan. The name is Isacc Pagan he was living Annan with wife and 2 children

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lookin for issac pagan on annan memorial died 24th oct 1914 granddad need help to find out anything about him
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Joann,

Your grandfather Isaac Pagan is indeed on the Annan Civic Memorial, see: http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=112.

CWGC details:
Name: PAGAN, ISAAC
Initials: I
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Border Regiment
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Date of Death: 24/10/1914
Service No: 7426
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 35.
Memorial: YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL

Anne
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Joann
The only Isaac Pagan I can see on the birth registers is Isaac Watson Pagan born bewteen Jan and Mar 1883 at Wigton, Cumbria.
Is this your Grandfather? Do you know the names of his wife and children?

As for the 2nd Battalion of the Border Regiment they were part of the 7th Division. From 1914-1918.net
The 7th Division was formed during September and very early October 1914, by the bringing together of regular army units from various points around the British Empire. They were assembled in the New Forest in Hampshire before initially moved to Belgium. The Division landed at Zeebrugge in the first week of October 1914, ordered to assist in the defence of Antwerp. However, by the time they arrived the city was already falling and the 7th was instead ordered to hold certain important bridges and other places that would help the westward evacuation of the Belgian army. Once the Belgians were through, the Division was moved westwards, where the infantry entrenched in front of Ypres, the first British troops to occupy that fateful place.

At the Battle of Langemark 21-24 October 1914 the Division fought the advancing German army to a standstill. All units suffered grievous losses, and it was not until the following January/February that it was once more in a complete enough condition to be considered at full fighting strength. After Ypres, it was often known as the "Immortal Seventh".

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Kenneth Morrison



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joann contacted me recently about her grandfather and we were able to gather some information.
Isaac Watson Pagan was born near Aspatria, Cumberland in 1883 and married Sophia Robinson in 1908.
In 1911 they, and their daughter Mary Jane, were living in Annan where Isaac was a labourer in the Coal Depot.
They were still there in 1914 when a son, Adam, was born.
I cannot find Isaac on the 1901 census (he would have been 18 ) anywhere in the UK and now suspect that he may have been serving in the army.
If he was a reservist, this might explain why a married man with a new-born child enlisted and served in a "regular" battalion so early in the war.
His service record does not seem to have survived.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

(Glasgow Herald 4th Jan 1916)
"Intimation has been received at Annan that Isaac Pagan, 2nd Border Regiment, who has been missing since September 26 has been killed."

Derek.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My previous guess that Isaac was serving in the army in 1901 has turned out to be correct.

D&G Standard 5/1/1916 p.5
Private Isaac Pagan, Border Regiment, Annan, has been missing since 26th October, 1914, and word has now been received from comrade that he was at his burial. He was a reservist, was through the South African campaign, and was called to the colours the outbreak war. Ho was employed with Mr Waugh, coal merchant, Annan.
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Adam Brown
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a great piece of detective work putting this all together. The hunch about him being a reservist because of the battalion he was serving in and his early war death is worth noting for others.

Kind regards

Adam
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