The Scottish Military Research Group - Commemorations Project

milmor_1 · Joined: 03 Jun 2009 Posts: 118 Location: Ireland

This soldier is listed on the CWGC, Soldiers Died (Part 73) and the IWM records, but does not appear (that I can see) in the Scottish Roll of Honour, SNWM). What is the procedure for a case like this?

O'DONNELL, James Joseph Private 11214 1st Bn Royal Dublin Fusiliers
Born: Barony, Lanarkshire Enlisted: Glasgow.
Date of Death: 28/04/1915 Cause: Died of wounds (Sustained Gallipoli).
Grave/Memorial: Panel 190 to 196. Helles Memorial.
Irish War Memorial Records Page No: Volume VI, Page 383.

Adam Brown · Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:28 am Post subject:

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From the FAQ page on the SNWM website:

Question 9. Can I have a name added to the Rolls of Honour?

Answer 9. Given the length of time since the ending of both the First and Second World Wars, the Trustees have decided that there has been ample time for the immediate families of casualties to request that their names be added to, or existing entries be amended in, the various Rolls of Honour.

Bearing in mind that it is and was the wish of the immediate family of the casualty that was paramount, they have decided that they will accept such requests from only the following relations of a casualty:

Father or Mother
Husband or Wife
Son or Daughter

and, in each instance, the application must be accompanied by a signed statement that the applicant is the immediate next of kin of the casualty.

In exceptional circumstances they will consider a request which comes from:

a. the Regimental Headquarters of the casualtyï¿½s regiment [or current successor regiment].

b. For members of the Royal Navy, the Royal Marines and the Royal Air Force the request must come from the Officer in Charge of the relevant Records Office.

c. Should the casualty have been killed in the armed forces of one of the former Dominions then the request should be made by the chief executive of the appropriate national ex-Servicemanï¿½s organisation (such as the Australian Retruned Servicemenï¿½ league).

In all cases the applicant is responsible for providing full documentary proof of the casualtyï¿½s service to support the application and similar documentary proof that the serviceman or woman has been accepted as a war casualty by the Commonwealth War Graves Commission [this may be in the form of a printed copy from the Commissionï¿½s electronic Debt of Honour register]. Where the individual has not served in a Scottish Regiment (Royal Scots Greys, Scots Guards, Royal Scots, Royal Scots Fusiliers, Kingï¿½s Own Scottish Borderers, Cmeronians (Scottish Rifles), Black Watch, Highland Light Infantry, Seaforth Highlanders, Gordon Highlanders, Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders) documentary proof that he was born in Scotland must be included.

Electronic copies of documents will not be accepted.

milmor_1 · Joined: 03 Jun 2009 Posts: 118 Location: Ireland

Adam

Many thanks for the prompt response with the extensive information shown above.

As I am not a family member, (just a researcher with an interest in the Irish dead and Soldiers who served in Irish Regiments during the Gallipoli Campaign) it sounds like a job for the British Legion (a job for the future.

Many thanks again for the information.

Mal

Adam Brown · Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:19 pm Post subject:

Now that Colonel Binks is in charge of the SNWM I believe the rules have been relaxed and I hope Private O'Donnell's name could be added by anyone submitting this.

Thanks

Adam

jrah60 · Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:25 pm Post subject:

I'll pass this on to Roger Binks.

John

Adam Brown · Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:09 pm Post subject:

Thanks John, I appreciate that.

Adam

jrah60 · Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 1:56 pm Post subject:

Reply received from Roger Binks.

Thank you for this observation. Yes, it was missing – probably because his place of birth was not identified many years ago; indeed CWGC has but scant information. I have identified 11214 JJ O’Donnell from the Medal Card and from our version of ‘Soldiers Died’ and created an entry in the SNWM Roll (dataset master). Detail from that entry is attached; the information will transfer to the printed page and web-site in due course.

Keep up the good work.
Kind regards,
Roger

Lt Col RJ Binks
Keeper of the Rolls and Secretary to the Trustees
The Scottish National War Memorial

Surname O'DONNELL
First Name (initials) James Joseph
Rank: Pte
Roll: SCOTS SERVING IN IRISH REGIMENTS
Unit: THE ROYAL DUBLIN FUSILIERS
Service No:11214
Date of Death: 28/04/1915
Theatre: Gallipoli
Cause:Died of wounds
Other Details:1st Bn.
Place of Birth Barony, Lanark
Decoration:
War: 1914 - 1918

John

Adam Brown · Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 2:02 pm Post subject:

Wow, what a turnaround. Many thanks to John and Lt Col Binks for getting Private O'Donnell rightfully recorded at the Castle.

Kind regards

Adam