The Scottish War Memorials Project

Stewartry · Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 140 Location: nr Nottingham

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Stewartry · Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 140 Location: nr Nottingham

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5th KOSB
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spoons · Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:55 pm Post subject:

Not listed on UKNIWM.

The memorial is in Colvend Parish churchyard. OS Map Ref: NX 862 542.

Note that there are two other memorials on the outside wall of the church and these are listed under Colvend Church.

Some alternative pics.

Kenneth Morrison · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:46 pm Post subject: Colvend WW1&2 War Memorials

Hi - I have only just discovered your project but have been researching the names on the war memorials at Colvend Church.

I have identified most, but not all, of those named and established their connection to Colvend.

There are a couple where I cannot find any information at all.

Has anyone already done such research?

I'm not sure how I should post a message to get the widest circulation so I'm starting here.

Hope you can help.
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DerekR · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:10 pm Post subject:

Ken,
Stewart above is the guy who'd know the most I'd suspect - especially if there is a query regarding any KOSB men.
Contact him directly by pm or use his website contact details.

As for problems identifying individuals - stick a query on the forum's query thread. Some people here don't like mysteries and will leave no stone unturned to help you out.

ps welcome aboard.
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apanderson · Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:33 pm Post subject:

Name: PARK, HUGH
Initials: H
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Gunner
Regiment/Service: Royal Field Artillery
Unit Text: 87th By.
Age: 22
Date of Death: 06/08/1915
Service No: 75336
Additional information: Son of Robert and Jessie Park, of Carsock Farm, Colvend, Dalbeattie.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Plot I. Row B. Grave 20.
Cemetery: HOP STORE CEMETERY

Listed on Colvend Civic Memorial, see
http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=549&highlight=colvend

Family Stone in Dumfries High Cemetery, see:
http://scottishwargraves.phpbbweb.com/posting.php?mode=editpost&p=10582&mforum=scottishwargraves

David McNay · Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:57 am Post subject:

I had a look for the death certificates of the men who died in 1920.

George Duncan died on the 19th August 1920 (not the 20th as on the memorial) of tuberculosis. No mention of any war wounds and he is not listed on CWGC.

I have not been able to find a death certificate for James Blyth. The only one is a man who died aged 75 - clearly not him. I can only surmise that either the details on the memorial are completely wrong or the man died outwith Scotland. Again, there is no mention of him on CWGC.

Kenneth Morrison · Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:26 am Post subject:

David
Thanks for your information. Since I originally posted, and with help from Stuart at sonsofgalloway, I have identified all of those listed on the memorial.
Regarding James Blyth, the Stewartry Roll of Honour details that he was from Colvend and enlisted in the KOSB in August 1917 before transferring to the Royal Scots. He died in the Richmond Military Hospital, Dublin and, like George Duncan is not listed by CWGC.
There does appear to be inconsistancies with CWGC listings as I have another soldier in nearby parish who died of TB in very similar circumstances to George Duncan but who has a CWGC gravestone.
Similarly Robert McVinnie is listed on the Colvend Memorial and although he died at Stobhill Military Hospital in Glasgow he is not listed by CWGC. He had been discharged from the army but being admitted to Stobhill would, I think, indicate that his illness was related to military service?
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David McNay · Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:46 am Post subject:

Robert McVinnie is listed on his death certificate as a Seaman (Army Pensioner) - married to Jessie Milligan. The cause of death as far as I can make out is "chronic absess of right hip, chronic disease of rib, profound anaemia".

There is no mention of this being attributable to war wounds.

I wouldn't take his death in a military hospital to mean that his death was war related. It may just have been the nearest hoaspital he could receive treatment. After all, he's listed as an army pensioner - might that have got him access to a military hospital?

kinnethmont · Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 548 Location: Aberdeenshire

Ken

Can you PM me any details you have of Robt McVinnie. I have checked into him and there may be a possibility of establishing his death was service related.

Do you happen to know where McVinnie and Duncan are buried?

Have you the service numbers for Blyth and Duncan?
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In Flanders fields.

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kinnethmont · Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 548 Location: Aberdeenshire

Ken

Thanks for the details sent, much appreciated.

Robert W McVinnie

There is not enough conclusive evidence in his service file to present a case to CWGC. In order to have any prospect of being considered three basic requirements for a post-discharge case need to be met.

1) Clear Cause of Discharge
2) Clear Cause of Death
3) Definite link between the two

The problem here is that McVinnie was demobilized ( Class "Z" ) on 8th March 1919 and it has to be assumed he was fully fit then, nothing in the file indicates otherwise. A month later he is examined at Motherwell, where he was residing, and admitted to Stobhill Hospital. It is impossible to confirm whether he remained there till his death in November, or not, nor that he died of the causes of his April admission.

There may be another avenue to check further, but it would require the assistance of his descendants ie. NOK. If anyone has any knowledge of them, it would be of interest.
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If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

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kinnethmont · Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 548 Location: Aberdeenshire

Ken

I have checked this man out and David McNay kindly sent me his D Cert.
It confirmed, beyond doubt, that the cause of his death was the same medical condition which resulted in his discharge from the Army.

From records it can be proved that he was admitted to the 1st Australian General Hospital at Rouen on 19 April 1918 with Pulmonary TB ( mild). He was returned to the UK and is recorded as " sick " in Grove Military Hospital, Tooting on 22nd April 1918. His Medical Discharge process began on 1st May.
George was discharged " physically unfit " for further service under Kings Regulations on 4th July 1918, the reason given as Tubercule of lung due to a/s ( Active Service) ie. TB.

The cause of his death on 19th August 1920 is given as Tuberculosis of Lung. Tubercular Peritonitis and Tubercular Kidney.

I have put together details of George's case and will have it submitted to CWGC / MOD.
Unless the date of death dicrepancy creates a problem I have every reason to think his name will be added to the Register and his grave will become a war grave if it can be found.
All of this may take some time. I will advise the outcome here in due course.
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Jim

If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

www.kinnethmont.co.uk

Kenneth Morrison · Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:48 pm Post subject: COLVEND WW1

DUNCAN, GEORGE Pte. RFA 20 Aug. 1920
George Duncan, Gunner (665782) 150th Brigade, Royal Field Artillery. Age 22.
Born 1897 at Springholm, Urr, Kirkcudbrightshire. Son of Jane Duncan. Died 19 August 1920 at Dumfries Infirmary of TB. Usual residence Woodside, Colvend.
(See above post from Kinnethmont)

BIE, ROBERT Master Mariner 13 June 1918
Robert Bie, Captain Merchant Marine. Age 50.
Born 1868 at Neptune Cottage, Rockcliffe, Colvend. Son of Captain Charles and Isabella Black Bie. Died 13 June 1918 of a heart attack on board SS Laomedon in the North Atlantic, buried in Ottawa, Canada.

BROWN, THOMAS Pte. 17TH HLI 8 June 1918
Thomas Wright Brown, Private 17th Battalion, Highland Light Infantry (3rd Glasgow). Age 36.
Born 1882 at Whitegate, Keir, Dumfriesshire. Son of William and Mary Brown; husband of Elizabeth Russell Brown of Hazelmount, Kippford. Died 8 June 1918 of cancer, buried in Colvend Churchyard.

CANDLISH, CHARLES BIE Master Mariner Nov. 1918
Charles Bie Candlsh, Captain Merchant Marine. Age 53.
Born 1865 at Palnackie, Buittle, Kirkcudbrightshire. Son of Captain Thomas and Jane Bie Candlish of Selma, Rockcliffe, Colvend; husband of Wilhelmina Duff Candlish of Maxwellton, Dumfries. Died 30 November 1918 of heart failure on board the SS Anchises off the SW coast of Ireland, buried at Colvend Churchyard.

Kenneth Morrison · Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 4:06 pm Post subject: COLVEND WW1

CANNON, JOHN Pte. 2nd RSF 12 Oct. 1918
John Cannon, Private (24002) 2nd Battalion, Royal Scots Fusiliers. Age 32.
Born 1886 at Kirkbean ? Son of Adam and Helen Cannon of Damhead, Colvend. Enlisted March 1916. Wounded and taken prisoner July 1916. Died 12 October 1918 of pneumonia as a prisoner of war at Stendal, Minden, Germany, buried at Niederzwehren Cemetery, Germany.

CANNON, ROBERT Pte. 2nd Gord. Highrs. 10 Oct. 1917
Robert McQueen Cannon, Private (S/10955) 2nd Battalion, Gordon Highlanders. Age 17.
Born 1899 at Auchenhill, Colvend. Son of Alexander and Maggie Cannon of Barnbarroch, Colvend. Enlisted 1915. Died of wounds 10 October 1917, buried at Estaples Military Cemetery, France.

CHALMERS, ARCHIBALD DOUGLAS Lieut. AS&H 9 Dec. 1918
Archibald Douglas Chalmers, Lieutenant 1st Battalion, Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders. Age 29.
Born 1880 at Ayr. Son of Archibald and Anne Jane Cowan Chalmers of Kipp, Dalbeattie. Returned from tea planting in Ceylon and joined the battalion in Salonica in September 1917. Died 9 December 1918 from enteric fever at No. 28 General Hospital, buried at Mikra British Cemetery Kalamaria, Greece.

Kenneth Morrison · Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 4:27 pm Post subject: COLVEND WW1

CORRIE, ROBERT L.Corpl. HLI 2 Dec. 1917
Robert Corrie, Lance Corporal (31006) 15th Battalion, Highland Light Infantry. (1st Glasgow). Age 37.
Born 1880 at Balmaclellan, Kirkcudbrightshire. Son of Thomas and Janet Haugh Corrie; husband of Barbara McKnaight Corrie of Barnbarroch, Colvend. Enlisted June 1916. Missing in Action 2 December 1917, remembered on the Tyne Cot Memorial, Ypres, Belgium and on the Balmaclellan and Dalbeattie War Memorials.

CUMMING, HENRY Master Mariner 23 Jan. 1918
Henry Cumming, Captain Merchant Marine. Age 47.
Born 1871 at Kippford. Son of Captain John Cumming and Anne Collins Donaldson Cumming of Kippford. Lost at Sea 23 January 1918 on board the SS Baykerran which sailed from New York on 19 January 1918. Four days later she reported that she was disabled but was never heard from again.

EDWARDS, JOHN Pte. 7th RSF 22 Aug. 1917
John Edwards, Private (40872) Combined 6th/7th Battalion, Royal Scots Fusiliers. Age 28.
Born 1889 at Kippford. Son of John and Agnes Edwards of Screel View, Kippford. Missing in Action 22 August 1917, remembered on the Tyne Cot Memorial, Ypres, Belgium.

GLOVER, ALEXANDER M T Lieut. KOSB ATT. RFC 17 Aug. 1917
Alexander Milligan Thomson Glover, Lieutenant 70th Squadron, King's Own Scottish Borderers attached to the Royal Flying Corps. Age 23.
Born 1894 at Maxwellton, Dumfries. Son of Joseph Johnston Glover, former Provost of Dumfries, and Agnes Jardine Glover. Mobilised August 1914 Lanarkshire Imperial Yeomanry before transferring to KOSB. Missing in Action 17 August 1917, remembered on the Arras Flying Services Memorial, France.