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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:15 pm    Post subject: Colvend Reply with quote



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not listed on UKNIWM.

The memorial is in Colvend Parish churchyard. OS Map Ref: NX 862 542.

Note that there are two other memorials on the outside wall of the church and these are listed under Colvend Church.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:46 pm    Post subject: Colvend WW1&2 War Memorials Reply with quote

Hi - I have only just discovered your project but have been researching the names on the war memorials at Colvend Church.

I have identified most, but not all, of those named and established their connection to Colvend.

There are a couple where I cannot find any information at all.

Has anyone already done such research?

I'm not sure how I should post a message to get the widest circulation so I'm starting here.

Hope you can help.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ken,
Stewart above is the guy who'd know the most I'd suspect - especially if there is a query regarding any KOSB men.
Contact him directly by pm or use his website contact details.

As for problems identifying individuals - stick a query on the forum's query thread. Some people here don't like mysteries and will leave no stone unturned to help you out.

ps welcome aboard.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Name: PARK, HUGH
Initials: H
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Gunner
Regiment/Service: Royal Field Artillery
Unit Text: 87th By.
Age: 22
Date of Death: 06/08/1915
Service No: 75336
Additional information: Son of Robert and Jessie Park, of Carsock Farm, Colvend, Dalbeattie.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Plot I. Row B. Grave 20.
Cemetery: HOP STORE CEMETERY

Listed on Colvend Civic Memorial, see
http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=549&highlight=colvend

Family Stone in Dumfries High Cemetery, see:
http://scottishwargraves.phpbbweb.com/posting.php?mode=editpost&p=10582&mforum=scottishwargraves
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a look for the death certificates of the men who died in 1920.

George Duncan died on the 19th August 1920 (not the 20th as on the memorial) of tuberculosis. No mention of any war wounds and he is not listed on CWGC.

I have not been able to find a death certificate for James Blyth. The only one is a man who died aged 75 - clearly not him. I can only surmise that either the details on the memorial are completely wrong or the man died outwith Scotland. Again, there is no mention of him on CWGC.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

David
Thanks for your information. Since I originally posted, and with help from Stuart at sonsofgalloway, I have identified all of those listed on the memorial.
Regarding James Blyth, the Stewartry Roll of Honour details that he was from Colvend and enlisted in the KOSB in August 1917 before transferring to the Royal Scots. He died in the Richmond Military Hospital, Dublin and, like George Duncan is not listed by CWGC.
There does appear to be inconsistancies with CWGC listings as I have another soldier in nearby parish who died of TB in very similar circumstances to George Duncan but who has a CWGC gravestone.
Similarly Robert McVinnie is listed on the Colvend Memorial and although he died at Stobhill Military Hospital in Glasgow he is not listed by CWGC. He had been discharged from the army but being admitted to Stobhill would, I think, indicate that his illness was related to military service?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robert McVinnie is listed on his death certificate as a Seaman (Army Pensioner) - married to Jessie Milligan. The cause of death as far as I can make out is "chronic absess of right hip, chronic disease of rib, profound anaemia".

There is no mention of this being attributable to war wounds.

I wouldn't take his death in a military hospital to mean that his death was war related. It may just have been the nearest hoaspital he could receive treatment. After all, he's listed as an army pensioner - might that have got him access to a military hospital?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:07 pm    Post subject: Robert W McVinnie Reply with quote

Ken

Can you PM me any details you have of Robt McVinnie. I have checked into him and there may be a possibility of establishing his death was service related.

Do you happen to know where McVinnie and Duncan are buried?

Have you the service numbers for Blyth and Duncan?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:38 pm    Post subject: Robert W McVinnie Reply with quote

Ken

Thanks for the details sent, much appreciated.


Robert W McVinnie

There is not enough conclusive evidence in his service file to present a case to CWGC. In order to have any prospect of being considered three basic requirements for a post-discharge case need to be met.

1) Clear Cause of Discharge
2) Clear Cause of Death
3) Definite link between the two

The problem here is that McVinnie was demobilized ( Class "Z" ) on 8th March 1919 and it has to be assumed he was fully fit then, nothing in the file indicates otherwise. A month later he is examined at Motherwell, where he was residing, and admitted to Stobhill Hospital. It is impossible to confirm whether he remained there till his death in November, or not, nor that he died of the causes of his April admission.

There may be another avenue to check further, but it would require the assistance of his descendants ie. NOK. If anyone has any knowledge of them, it would be of interest.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:18 pm    Post subject: Gnr. George Duncan RFA Reply with quote

Ken

I have checked this man out and David McNay kindly sent me his D Cert.
It confirmed, beyond doubt, that the cause of his death was the same medical condition which resulted in his discharge from the Army.

From records it can be proved that he was admitted to the 1st Australian General Hospital at Rouen on 19 April 1918 with Pulmonary TB ( mild). He was returned to the UK and is recorded as " sick " in Grove Military Hospital, Tooting on 22nd April 1918. His Medical Discharge process began on 1st May.
George was discharged " physically unfit " for further service under Kings Regulations on 4th July 1918, the reason given as Tubercule of lung due to a/s ( Active Service) ie. TB.

The cause of his death on 19th August 1920 is given as Tuberculosis of Lung. Tubercular Peritonitis and Tubercular Kidney.

I have put together details of George's case and will have it submitted to CWGC / MOD.
Unless the date of death dicrepancy creates a problem I have every reason to think his name will be added to the Register and his grave will become a war grave if it can be found.
All of this may take some time. I will advise the outcome here in due course.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:48 pm    Post subject: COLVEND WW1 Reply with quote

DUNCAN, GEORGE Pte. RFA 20 Aug. 1920.
George Duncan, Gunner (665782) 150th Brigade, Royal Field Artillery. Age 22.
George was a farm worker when he enlisted June 1915 as a Private (4440) 2nd Kirkcudbrightshire Battery 2/2nd Lowland Field Artillery Brigade. He was posted to France in December 1917 and joined the 150th RFA. He was admitted to 1st Australian General Hospital at Rouen in April 1918 with Pulmonary TB and was evacuated to the Grove Military Hospital, Tooting, London. He was discharged from the army in July 1918 and awarded a Silver War Badge (407908) on 22 April. George he was living at Woodside, Barnbarroch, Colvend when he died of tuberculosis in Dumfries Infirmary.
Born 1897 at Springholm, Urr, Kirkcudbrightshire. Son of Jane Duncan. Died on 19 August 1920 Place of burial is still unknown so he is named on the Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK.
George Duncan was added to the CWGC Debt of Honour register on Friday 8 May 2009. See posts from Kinnethmont.


BIE, ROBERT Master Mariner 13 June 1918.
Not listed by CWGC
Robert Bie, Captain Merchant Marine. Age 50.
Born 1868 at Neptune Cottage, Rockcliffe, Colvend. Son of Captain Charles and Isabella Black Bie. Husband of Annie Barron (Black) Bie of Cardoness Street, Dumfries who he married in 1901 at Kelvin, Glasgow.
Died on 13 June 1918 of a heart attack on board SS Laomedon in the North Atlantic, and buried in Ottawa, Canada.
Also named on the Dumfries War Memorial and on the Greyfriars Church memorial in Dumfries.


BROWN, THOMAS Pte. 17TH HLI 8 June 1918.
Not listed by CWGC
Thomas Wright Brown, Private (?) 17th Battalion, Highland Light Infantry (3rd Glasgow). Age 36.
Thomas was an upholsterer and was living in Bowman Street, Govanhill, Glasgow when he married in 1914.
Born 1882 at Whitegate, Keir, Dumfriesshire. Son of William and Mary Brown. Husband of Elizabeth Bathie (Russell) Brown who he married in Pollokshields, Glasgow in 1914.
Died on 8 June 1918 of cancer at his mother's house, “Hazelmount” in Kippford, Colvend, and buried in Colvend Churchyard.


CANDLISH, CHARLES BIE Master Mariner Nov. 1918.
Not listed by CWGC
Charles Bie Candlsh, Captain Merchant Marine. Age 53.
Born 1865 at Palnackie, Buittle, Kirkcudbrightshire. Son of Captain Thomas and Jane Bie Candlish of Selma, Rockcliffe, Colvend. Husband of Wilhelmina Duff Candlish of Maxwelltown, Dumfries.
Died on 30 November 1918 of heart failure on board the SS Anchises off the SW coast of Ireland, and buried at Colvend Churchyard.


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CANNON, JOHN Pte. 2nd RSF 12 Oct. 1918.
John Cannon, Private (24002) 2nd Battalion, Royal Scots Fusiliers. Age 32.
John was a farm worker when he enlisted in December 1915. He joined his battalion in France in June 1916. He was wounded and taken prisoner on 30 July 1916 and held in Paderborn, Westfalen, Germany.
Born 1886 at Kirkbean, Kirkcudbrightshire. Son of Adam and Helen Cannon of Damhead, Colvend.
Died on Active Service on 12 October 1918 and buried at Niederzwehren Cemetery, Germany.
Military records show that John died of pneumonia at Stendal Prisoner Of War camp however he was buried in Hoerste Cemetery in Halle, Westfalen and re-interred in Niederzwehren in 1923.

and his nephew

CANNON, ROBERT Pte. 2nd Gord. Highrs. 10 Oct. 1917
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Robert McQueen Cannon, Private (S/10955) 2nd Battalion, Gordon Highlanders. Age 17.
Robert had been educated at Barnbarroch School, Colvend and was a gardener at Woodland House, New Bridge, Dumfries when he enlisted in 1915. He was wounded on 7 October 1917 and died in the 26th General Hospital in Etaples.
Born 1899 at Auchenhill, Colvend. Son of Alexander and Maggie Cannon of Barnbarroch, Colvend. Grandson of Helen Cannon of Damhead, Colvend.
Died of wounds on 10 October 1917 and buried at Estaples Military Cemetery, France.
Also named on the Terregles Parish War Memorial.


CHALMERS, ARCHIBALD DOUGLAS Lieut. AS&H 9 Dec. 1918.
Archibald Douglas Chalmers, Lieutenant 1st Battalion, Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders. Age 29.
Archibald was educated at Cargilfield School, Cramond Bridge and at Merchiston Castle School, Edinburgh. He went Ceylon in January 1913 where he worked on a tea plantation. He returned in February 1916 and, after training at the Officer Training Battalion at Gailes, Ayrshire, he was gazetted as a 2nd Lieutenant in August 1916. He joined the battalion in Salonika in September 1917 and was promoted to Lt. in February 1918. He died from enteric fever at the 28th General Hospital.
Born 1880 at Ayr. Son of Archibald and Anne Jane (Cowan) Chalmers of Kipp, Colvend.
Died on Service on 9 December 1918 and buried at Mikra British Cemetery Kalamaria, Greece.
His portrait can be found in Kippford Village Hall and he is also named on a memorial in Christ Church Warleigh, Dikoya, Sri Lanka, and on the Cargilfield and Merchiston Castle school memorials.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 4:27 pm    Post subject: COLVEND WW1 Reply with quote

CORRIE, ROBERT L.Corpl. HLI 2 Dec. 1917.
Robert Corrie, Lance Corporal (31006) 15th Battalion, Highland Light Infantry. (1st Glasgow). Age 37.
Robert enlisted in June 1916. He was wounded at St.Quentin.
Born 1880 at Balmaclellan, Kirkcudbrightshire. Son of Thomas and Janet Haugh Corrie. Husband of Barbara McKnaight Corrie of Barnbarroch, Colvend who he married in 1902 in Kippford, Colvend.
Missing in Action on 2 December 1917 and named on the Tyne Cot Memorial, Ypres, Belgium and on the Balmaclellan and Dalbeattie War Memorials.


CUMMING, HENRY Master Mariner 23 Jan. 1918.
Not listed by CWGC
Henry Cumming, Captain Merchant Marine. Age 47.
Born 1871 at Kippford. Son of Captain John Cumming and Anne Collins Donaldson Cumming of Kippford.
Lost at Sea 23 January 1918 on board the SS Baykerran which sailed from New York on 19 January 1918. Four days later she reported that she was disabled but was never heard from again.


EDWARDS, JOHN Pte. 7th RSF 22 Aug. 1917.
John Edwards, Private (40872) Combined 6th/7th Battalion, Royal Scots Fusiliers. Formerly Private (31172) 13th Battalion, Royal Scots. Age 28.
Born 1889 at Kippford. Son of John and Agnes Edwards of Screel View, Kippford.
Missing in Action on 22 August 1917and named on the Tyne Cot Memorial, Ypres, Belgium.


GLOVER, ALEXANDER M T Lieut. KOSB ATT. RFC 17 Aug. 1917.
Alexander Milligan Thomson Glover, Lieutenant 70th Squadron, King's Own Scottish Borderers attached to the Royal Flying Corps. Age 23.
Alexander had been educated at Laurieknowe School in Maxwelltown, and at Dumfries Academy. He was working for the Remington Typewriter Company and was a member of the Lanarkshire Imperial Yeomanry. At the outbreak of war he was mobilised and transferred to the KOSB, serving in the ranks until commissioned in October 1915. He joined his battalion in Egypt and applied to join the RFC. He was trained in Cairo and Alexandria before returning to the UK and went to France as a pilot in June 1917.
Born 1894 at Maxwellton, Dumfries. Son of Joseph Johnston Glover, former Provost of Dumfries, and Agnes (Jardine) Glover of Hazelwood Place, Laurieknowe, Maxwelltown. Brother of Maud Glover of Kirkfield, Colvend.
Missing in Action on 17 August 1917 and named on the Arras Flying Services Memorial, France.
Also named on the Maxwelltown/Troqueer War Memorial, on the Troqueer Parish Church Memorial and on the Laurieknowe School and Dumfries Academy memorials.


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