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Adam Brown
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 Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:39 pm Post subject: George Thomsons DCM |
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Two men called George Thomson from Dumfries-shire served in the KOSB in the Great War and both were awarded the DCM. One served in the 2nd Bn and one served in 1/5th Bn
The following war memorials have a George Thomson DCM listed on them:
Applegarth and Sibbaldbie War Memorial, Brydekirk War Memorial and Lockerbie War Memorial.
Does anyone know which one is on the Applegarth and Sibbaldbie War Memorial?
THOMSON, George
Number: 12215
Rank: Corporal, later Acting Sergeant
Unit: 2nd Battalion, King's Own Scottish Borderers
Born: Brydekirk
Enlisted: Annan, August 1914
Home: Brydekirk, by Annan
Died: 18th April 1918. Aged 25
Buried: St Venant-Robecq Road British Cemetery, Robecq, France
Notes: Commemorated on the family headstone in Annan Churchyard
DCM Gazetted: 6th February 1918
Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty in working round the flank and capturing an enemy strong point which was holding up the company. In it were about fifty of the enemy. He afterwards beat off with loss all counter-attacks on his trench.
THOMSON, George
Number: 241579
Rank: Corporal (Acting Serjeant)
Unit: 1/5th (Dumfries & Galloway) Battalion, King's Own Scottish Borderers T.F
Born: Caerlaverock
Enlisted: Glasgow
Home: Lockerbie
Died: Killed in action, 31st October 1918
Age: 29
Notes: Son of Charles and Jessie McNaughton Thomson; husband of the late Janet Richardson Thomson.
Buried: Harlebeke New British Cemetery
DCM Gazetted: 3rd September 1919
Citation: He has continuously shown great courage and initiative. In particular at the action of Beugneux, on 29th July, he showed marked gallantry and leadership of men, and when all his officers had become casualties, he brought the company out of action.
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| The home for the 1/5th Bn man is given as Lockerbie. Applegarth and Sibbaldbie memorial is less than 2 miles from the centre of Lockerbie so that's where my money is. |
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I agree. 12215 2nd Bn. on Brydekirk War Memorial, with 241579 1/5th Bn. on both Applegarth and Sibbaldbie War Memorial, and Lockerbie War Memorial.
Some further info on 241579 George Thomson. Enlisted in June 1916 as Private 5282. Previously wounded at El Mughar on 13th November 1917.
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kinnethmont
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| Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:13 pm Post subject: George Thomsons DCM |
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| Quote: | Died: Killed in action, 31st October 1918
Age: 29
Notes: Son of Charles and Jessie McNaughton Thomson; husband of the late Janet Richardson Thomson.
Buried: Harlebeke New British Cemetery
DCM Gazetted: 3rd September 1919
Citation: He has continuously shown great courage and initiative. In particular at the action of Beugneux, on 29th July, he showed marked gallantry and leadership of men, and when all his officers had become casualties, he brought the company out of action. |
Adam
Should the LG entry be 3rd September 1918? A three month delay was fairly usual for this.
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Adam Brown
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Gents
Thanks for all the input. I'll update their entries on my file.
Jim, if you check the London Gazette you can see there were many DCMs awarded in 1919 and right up until March 1920 for actions which took place in the Great War.
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kinnethmont
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| Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 6:17 pm Post subject: George Thomsons DCM |
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| Quote: | | Jim, if you check the London Gazette you can see there were many DCMs awarded in 1919 and right up until March 1920 for actions which took place in the Great War. |
Adam
That is true since the war was still going on in some theatres.
I took your advice and checked the Thomson DCM in the LG. The award of his DCM appeared in Gazette Issue 31092 published on the 31 December 1918. Sept 1919 was when the DCM citation appeared in the Edinburgh edition.
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Adam Brown
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Jim
The ones I was referring to which were published in 1919 and 1920 were for actions prior to 11.11.1918, not actions in other theatres.
| kinnethmont wrote: | | Sept 1919 was when the DCM citation appeared in the Edinburgh edition. |
George Thomson's citation was in the London and Edinburgh Gazettes in early September 1919, for all I know he was in the Edinburgh Gazette of December 1918 and the Belfast Gazette of September 1919 and December 1918 too, I'm not going to check because I am not going to list every time a DCM citation was gazetted.
My original entry did not specify which gazette it was but it was the London Gazette of 3rd September 1919:
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/31534/supplements/11164
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| kinnethmont wrote: | | That is true since the war was still going on in some theatres. |
The ones I was referring to which were published in 1919 and 1920 were for actions prior to 11.11.1918, not actions in other theatres after that date.
| kinnethmont wrote: | | Sept 1919 was when the DCM citation appeared in the Edinburgh edition. |
George Thomson's citation was in the London and Edinburgh Gazettes in early September 1919, for all I know he was in the Edinburgh Gazette of December 1918 and the Belfast Gazette of September 1919 and December 1918 too. I'm not going to check because I am not going to list every time a DCM citation was gazetted.
My original entry did not specify which gazette it was but it was the London Gazette of 3rd September 1919:
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/31534/supplements/11164
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kinnethmont
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| Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:39 pm Post subject: George Thomson DCM |
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| Quote: | | DCM Gazetted: 3rd September 1919 |
Adam
The London Gazette is the accepted organ through which official Notices regarding Honours, Decorations and Medals are promulgated.
From the detail in your original post ( above ) I think most would take that phrase as referring to the date the AWARD of the DCM appeared in the Gazzette, usually the London edition, at which point it was officially awarded. In this case 1st January 1919 was the relevant date and is confimed by the medal record. The citation with details of the Deed could appear a long time after, in this case nine months.
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Adam Brown
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Jim
You've gone way off-topic here. I wasn't wanting to know about dates, I was wanting to know about names on memorials which was answered earlier.
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kinnethmont
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| Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:51 pm Post subject: George Thomsons DCM |
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Adam
Off Topic?
The original post post caused confusion regarding the thread subject " George Thomsons DCM " which I queried. It became clear the award was made nine months before the date given in the post.
Please delete all posts after Stuart's post.
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David McNay
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| Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:31 am Post subject: Re: George Thomsons DCM |
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| kinnethmont wrote: | Adam
Off Topic?
The original post post caused confusion regarding the thread subject " George Thomsons DCM " which I queried. It became clear the award was made nine months before the date given in the post.
Please delete all posts after Stuart's post. |
I see no reason for confusion, Adam's post was regarding two men named George Thomson who were both awarded the DCM. The thread title is therefore completely to the point and not confusing in anyway. The query is in the main body of the initial post, not in the title itself.
I see no need to delete any discussion here, this is not an edition of Pravda where we delete discussion we don't like. |
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kinnethmont
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| Quote: | The thread title is therefore completely to the point and not confusing in anyway.
The query is in the main body of the initial post, not in the title itself |
David
I agree with both sentences and have not suggested otherwise. I simply wished to clarify the detail given in the post. I do feel that my conversation should be " edited " out, as requested, if it is off topic and detracts from the original post.
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| kinnethmont wrote: |
I do feel that my conversation should be " edited " out, as requested, if it is off topic and detracts from the original post. |
Although the gazette date matter was off-topic and has run its course I think it would be a shame to lose all this discussion since it does show people that references to a Great War DCM being can be found in various gazettes on various dates. |
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Look who's turned up on the WW1 centenery picture flickr account.
link to pic
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