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David McNay
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:09 pm    Post subject: Bellshill Reply with quote

DSCN9683 by Scottish Military Research Group, on Flickr

First World War:

DSCN9684 by Scottish Military Research Group, on Flickr

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DSCN9686 by Scottish Military Research Group, on Flickr

These photos show the Second World War names. They also show you the images on the four panels around the base, which depict "Sea", "Air" and "Land". I'm not sure what the second batch of names are for. They might be Second World War, or possibly later conflicts. There is actually nothing on the memorial itself to tell you what conflict ANY of the names are from.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Strong possibility Alex MacLaren listed here is also commemorated at Balquhidder, Perthshire.

Surname McLAREN
Firstname Alexander
Service Number 9589
Date Death 25/02/1915
Decoration
Place of birth Lochearnhead
Other wounded F.& F. 1st Bn.
SNWM roll THE BLACK WATCH (ROYAL HIGHLANDERS)
Rank Pte
Theatre of death At Home.

Name: McLAREN
Initials: A
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)
Unit Text: 1st Bn.
Date of Death: 25/02/1915
Service No: 9589
Additional information: Son of John McLaren; husband of Mary Brunton McLaren, of Cockhill Cottages, Bellshill. Born at Lochearnhead, Perthshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: H. 153.
Cemetery: BOTHWELL (BELLSHILL) CEMETERY
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting to note it does not have Piper Richardson, VC, Canadians on it as he was born in Bellshill.

Name: RICHARDSON, JAMES CLELLAND
Initials: J C
Nationality: Canadian
Rank: Private (Piper)
Regiment/Service: Canadian Infantry (Manitoba Regiment)
Unit Text: 16th Bn.
Age: 20
Date of Death: 09/10/1916
Service No: 28930
Awards: VC
Additional information: Son of David and Mary Prosser Richardson, of Princess Avenue, Chilliwack, British Columbia. Native of Bellshill, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: III. F. 36.
Cemetery: ADANAC MILITARY CEMETERY, MIRAUMONT
Citation: An extract from "The London Gazette," No. 30967, dated 18th Oct., 1918, records the following:-"For most conspicuous bravery and devotion to duty when, prior to attack, he obtained permission from his Commanding Officer to play his company "over the top". As the Company approached the objective, it was held up by very strong wire and came under intense fire, which caused heavy casualties and demoralised the formation for the moment. Realising the situation, Piper Richardson strode up and down outside the wire, playing his pipes with the greatest coolness. The effect was instantaneous. Inspired by his splendid example, the company rushed the wire with such fury and determination that the obstacle was overcome and the position captured. Later,after participating in bombing operations, he was detailed to take back a wounded comrade and prisoners. After proceeding about 200 yards Piper Richardson remembered that he had left his pipes behind. Although strongly urged not to do so, he insisted on returning to recover his pipes. He has never been seen since, and death has been presumed accordingly owing to lapse of time."
He is , however, remembered on Peebles Memorial in the border where he was partly brought up by his Uncle and Aunt.
For more info see
http://www.barrypenner.com/view_page.php?id=13
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Malcolm I took a Canadian friend to the Belshill memorial years ago and she was very disappointed to find Richardson missing from the memorial. We did discover he was listed on the Rutherglen memorial though. We also visited John Street School in Bridgeton which he attended but unfortunately there had been a fire in the 60's and his school records were destroyed.
Maybe you could post the above information about Richardson on the Rutherglen memorial as well?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

William R Bell was recently added to the memorial. He was killed in Cyprus in 1958. Here are his SNWM details

Surname BELL
Firstname William Rodger
Service number 23345941
Date of death 27/09/1958
Decoration
Place of birth Bellshill Lanarkshire
Other 227 G.H.Q.Provost Company. Corps of Royal Military Police.
SNWM roll SCOTSMEN IN VARIOUS CORPS AND UNITS
Rank L/Cpl
Theatre of death Cyprus

S Rennie is Samuel Rennie who died in Korea

Surname RENNIE
Firstname Samuel
Service number 22366659
Date of death 03/10/1951
Decoration
Place of birth Bellshill Lanarkshire
Other
SNWM roll THE KING'S OWN SCOTTISH BORDERERS
Rank Pte
Theatre of death Korea

That probably means James Docherty died post war but he isn't on the SNWM database.

Joseph Potsey died in 1945 and is the last of the Second World War names listed.

Name: POTSEY, JOSEPH
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lance Bombardier
Regiment/Service: Royal Artillery
Unit Text: 49 Bty., 48 Lt. A.A. Regt.
Age: 37
Date of Death: 16/06/1945
Service No: 1749852
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: M. C. 2.
Cemetery: LABUAN WAR CEMETERY

Potsey is a Lithuanian name and there were many Lithuanians in Bellshill who worked(or tried to work) in the mines and steelworks before the war.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took some more images of this memorial at the weekend. There are some close-ups of the Land, Sea and Air panels and also detail of the rear of the statue which I thought was very detailed. There were no obvious names or marks on the base of the statue to indicate where it came from.















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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are the AFM database details for the Bellshill Post-1945 fatalities:

BELL, William Rodger
Rank LCpl
Service Army
Service Number 23345941
Regiment/Corps RMP
Place of Birth/Home Town Bellshill
Date of Birth 29 April 1938
Age 20
Date of Death 27 September 1958
Cemetery Name Waynes Keep Cemetery
Cemetery Address
Nicosia, Cyprus
Grave 25:B:15


RENNIE, Samuel
Rank Pte
Service Army
Service Number 22366659
Regiment/Corps KOSB
Place of Birth/Home Town Bellshill, Lanarkshire
Date of Birth 31 December 1931
Age 19
Date of Death 3 October 1951
Cemetery Name UN Memorial
Cemetery Address Pusan, Korea
Grave 24:12:1825

This man may be the James Docherty listed since his death in 1955 falls between the other two.
I don't know the circumstances of his death but he may not meet the criteria for inclusion on the SNWM roll of honour.

DOCHERTY, James Stewart Houston
Rank PO
Service Royal Navy
Service Number JX 745420
Ship HMS Jupiter
Place of Birth/Home Town Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Date of Birth 26 December 1917
Age 37
Date of Death 24 May 1955
Cemetery Name Hawkhead Cemetery
Cemetery Address Hawkhead, Paisley
Grave A:201
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:45 am    Post subject: Names Reply with quote

Re; the second batch of names on this memorial. One of them is my uncle, William McLoughlin. I believe his name was omitted originally and a member of his family requested it be added and it was some years later. I can only assume it is the same with the others.

His details are as follows:

William McLoughlin, 14282276, 172 Fortress Coy; Royal Engineers.
KIA in Gibralter 21 September 1944.

Buried in Gibralter (North Front) Cemetary

Son of William and Sarah McLoughlin, Bellshill
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Name: DOCHERTY
Initials: A
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lance Corporal
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Date of Death: 25/09/1915
Service No: 8082
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: C. 4.
Cemetery: CAMBRIN CHURCHYARD EXTENSION

Name: DOCHERTY, CORNELIUS
Initials: C
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Highland Light Infantry
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Date of Death: 27/10/1914
Service No: 7987
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 38.
Memorial: YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL

Name: DOCHERTY
Initials: W
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Date of Death: 12/04/1916
Service No: S/8300
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: L2. 10.
Cemetery: CAMBRIN CHURCHYARD EXTENSION


ANDREW DOCHERTY
Corpl., No. 8082, 2nd Battn. (93rd Foot) Princess Louise's (Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders), 5th s. of the late William Docherty, miner, by his wife (-) (38 New Orbiston, Bellshill); and brother of Private Cornelius Docherty and of Private William Docherty (q.v.); b. Wishaw, co. Lanark, 1 Jan. 1893; educ. Bellshill Public School; enlisted 3rd Nov. 1909; served some years with the Colours, and then joined the Reserve, during which time he was employed as a miner at Parkhead Colliery, Bellshill; was called up on mobilization 4 Aug. 1914; served with the Expeditionary Force in France, and was killed in action at the Battle of Loos 25 Sept. 1915. Buried there. He m. at Bellshill, Annie (37 New Orbiston, Bellshill), dau. of Patrick Reddan Gallagher, and had a dau., Margaret b. 15 Dec. 1914.


CORNELIUS DOCHERTY
Private No. 7987, 2nd Battn. (74th Foot) The Highland Light Infantry, eldest s. of the late William Docherty, miner, by his wife (-) (38 New Orbiston, Bellshill); and brother of Private William Docherty and of Corpl. Andrew Docherty (q.v.); b. Wishaw, co. Lanark, 25 Dec. 1880; educ. Public School there; enlisted 25 Aug. 1902; served some years with the Colours, and then joined the Reserve, during which time he was employed as a miner at Parkhead Colliery, Bellshill; was called up on mobilization 4 Aug. 1914; served with the Expeditionary Force in France, and was killed in action 22 Oct. 1914. Buried there; unm.


WILLIAM DOCHERTY
Private No. 8300, 2nd Battn. (93rd Foot) Princess Louise's (Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders), 4th s. of the late William Docherty, miner, by his wife (-) (38 New Orbiston, Bellshill); and brother of Private Cornelius Docherty and of Corpl. Andrew Docherty (q.v.); b. Wishaw, co. Lanark, 29 Feb. 1891; educ. Bellshill Public School; was employed as a miner at Parkhead Colliery, Bellshill, but enlisted 1st Sept. 1914, after the outbreak of war; went to France in March 1915, and was killed in action 12 April 1916, being shot by a German sniper. Buried there. Lieut H. Stewart Smith, commanding D Company wrote: "He was out of the trench at the time doing a very difficult and dangerous piece of work with his platoon officer, Mr Biggart, who had especially selected him as a brave and capable man to assist in putting up wire in front of an advanced trench. They must have been seen by a German sniper when the work was nearly finished. Private Docherty was killed instantly and his officer was severely wounded in the face at the same moment. Private Docherty was a very gallant fellow, and his death was a grave loss and much regretted by his company". unm.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This could possible be the fourth Docherty listed;

Name: DOCHERTY, ROBERT WYPER
Initials: R W
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Scots Guards
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Age: 21
Date of Death: 18/10/1915
Service No: 12142
Additional information: Son of Thomas and Janet Wyper Docherty, of 35, Skene Place, Crossgates, Bellshill, Lanarkshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: I. C. 8.
Cemetery: VERMELLES BRITISH CEMETERY
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:19 pm    Post subject: Thomas Watson RAF Reply with quote

Some images relating to Thomas Watson, 483 Squadron RAAF, the last name on the WW2 section, he is also apparently commemorated on a plaque in the MacDonald memorial church in Bellshill - will try get a picture of that and start a new thread about it as I dont see it covered.



The Aircraft he was in



His log book entry for his fatal 18th Mission



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thomas Watson (also noted a typo above, you have him as 483 Sqn, it should be 463).

From the 'Lost Bombers' website.

Lancaster LL847 Information
Type Lancaster
Serial Number LL847
Squadron 463
X1D JO-D
Operation Munich
Date 1 17th December 1944
Date 2 18th December 1944


Further Information
"Serial Range LL617 - LM296 This aircraft was one of 450 lancasters ordered from Armstrong Whitworth Aircraft apr42 and built as 100 mk.11s with hercules XV1 engines, delivered from Oct43 to Mar44, and 350 mk.1s with Merlin 24 engines initially installed and delivered from Nov43 to Aug44. LL847 was a Mk.1 and was delivered to 463 Sqdn 10Mar44. Took part in the following Key Operations: Stuttgart 15/16Mar44; Berlin 24/25Mar44; Nuremburg 30/31Mar44; Schweinfurt 26/27Apr44; Lille 10/11May44; Duisburg 21/22May44; Courtrai 20/21Jul44; Duren 16Nov44-Daylight; Urft dam 11Dec44-daylight; Munich 17/18Dec44-Lost. No record of total hours. Airborne 1631 17Dec44 from Waddington. Crashed at le Gros-Theil (Eure), 10 km NNW of le Neubourg. All are buried in le Gros-Theil Communal Cemetery. Their average age was 21. F/O K.e.H.Bennett RAAF KIA F/O J.H.Ogilvie RAAF (P2) KIA Sgt R.G.Nuttall KIA F/S S.Easton KIA P/O T.N.Watson KIA F/S R.W.Byrnes RAAF KIA Sgt H.Fowler KIA Sgt G.A.C.Frizzell KIA "
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry for the delay replying, I amended my email address and have been waiting to have my account reactivated (cheers David for sorting it).

Your absolutely right about the squadron, having spent about a week before posting going through loads of 463 Squadron webpages etc I'm not sure why I suddenly got mixed up.

Cheers

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although it was a RAAF Squadron, Watson was in the RAFVR

WATSON, THOMAS NICHOLSON
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Pilot Officer (Air Bomber)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 463 (R.A.A.F.) Sqdn.
Age: 22
Date of Death: 18/12/1944
Service No: 187732
Additional information: Son of David and Mary J. W. Watson, of Bellshill, Lanarkshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Coll. grave.
Cemetery: LE GROS-THEIL COMMUNAL CEMETERY

Note they are all buried in one grave.

This is what the CWGC says about the Cemetery.

Le Gros-Theil is a village and commune about 13 kilometres south-west of Elbeuf, a small town 18 kilometres south-south-west of Rouen. In the western part, some 30 yards west of the chapel which is east of the main path, is the collective grave of five airmen of the Royal Air Force and three airmen of the Royal Australian Air Force.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,
A picture of the collective grave



He wasnt the only Jock in the crew - it consisted of 3 Aussies, an Englishman and 4 Scots - as well as him their was Samuel Easton of Glasgow, Henry Fowler of West Calder, Gordon Abercrombie Centre Frizzell of Galashiels - I had a look before and couldnt see their names on any War Memorials.

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