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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another home found for one of the boys;

BLAIRGOWRIE ADVERTISER: 16.09.1916

Sergt. Martin Gray, A. and S. Highlanders, whose wife and three children reside at Stoneye Cottage, Coupar Angus, has been missing since 25th September.
Mrs Gray received a letter of sympathy from his commanding officer, in which he said that Sergt. Gray was on the list for the D.C.M., and gave him great praise for the bravery and courage he dispayed, stating he would always be remembered by those who knew him as a great example of manhood.
He served for twelve years with the Gordon Highlanders in India and South Africa, and had been out of the Army for eight years prior to the outbreak of the present war, when he re-enlisted in the A. and S. Highlanders. He has been awarded three medals with eight clasps, viz. - Indian Medal - Tirah, 1897-98, and Punjab Frontier, 1897-98; Queen Victoria's South African Medal - Belfast, Laing's Nek, Defence of Ladysmith, and Elandalaagte; and King Edward's South African Medal - South Africa, 1901, South Africa, 1902.
Sergt. Gray is a son of the late Mr Archibald Gray, Longriggend, Lanarkshire, and resided before enlistment at Plean, Stirling. He is married to the third daughter of Mr John Yule, Blairdrummond, near Doune, and is a brother-in-law of Mr John Yule, Kettins, where Sergt. Gray often spent his holidays. He is well-known in Coupar Angus district, and greatly respected.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Name: GRAY, MARTIN
Initials: M
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Serjeant
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
Unit Text: "C" Coy. 10th Bn.
Date of Death: 27/09/1915
Service No: S/1870
Additional information: Son of Archibald Gray, of Longriggend, Lanarkshire; husband of Elizabeth Yule Gray, of Blair Drummond. Perthshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 125 to 127.
Memorial: LOOS MEMORIAL
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A brother-in-law of Sergt. Gray, and one of six members of Perthshire County Constabulary to fall in the Great War;


Surname YULE
Firstname Robert Paton
Service Number 266541
Date Death 31/07/1917
Decoration
Place of birth Kincardine
Other 6th Bn.
SNWM roll THE BLACK WATCH (ROYAL HIGHLANDERS)
Rank Pte
Theatre of death F.& F.

Name: YULE
Initials: R
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)
Unit Text: 1st/6th Bn.
Date of Death: 31/07/1917
Service No: 266541
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: IX. B. 1.
Cemetery: DUHALLOW A.D.S. CEMETERY

Robert Yule is commemorated at Gartmore;


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From 'The Scotsman', Monday 7th August 1922, Page 6

GENERAL SIR CHARLES MONRO AT PLEAN

Tribute to Scottish Troops

The village of Plean near Stirling, which some time ago was associated with a mining disaster, at which 12 mean lost their lives, unveiled a memorial yesterday afternoon to it's heroes of the war.

The memorial taked the form of a tapering granite pillar erected on a concrete base in a triangular piece of ground fronting the new houses on the Edinburgh Road. Mr. Wallace Thorniecroft; of the Plean Colliery Company, presided at the unveiling ceremony, which was performed by General Sir Charles Monro, Bart., K.C.B., in presence of a large concourse of people from the surrounding district.

The ex-servicemen paraded under Captain Thorniecroft, and other bodies present were the Boy Scouts, the Boys' Brigade, and the Girl Guides. The company present included Major and Mrs. Monro of Auchenbowie; Mrs. and Miss Bolton of West Plean; Mrs. and Miss Thorneycroft, Mrs Archdale, Mr. & Mrs. John Edmond of Gallamuir; Mr. & Miss Binnie, Plean Farm; Mr. & Mrs. Robert Forrester, Stirling; Dr. Morrison, Bannockburn; the Rev. W.T.P. MacDonald, Plean; and the Rev A. Millar Marshall, Cowie.

Mr. Thorneycroft, who presided, mentioned that the great majority of the 57 men whose names were recorded on the memorial enlisted voluntarily in the early days of the war. They met that afternoon under the shadow of a great disaster at the colliery, and he could assure them that the spirit of generous self-sacrifice was as keen to-day among the miners as ever it was.

Achievments of Scottish Regiments

General Monro addressed the gathering. he said eight years almost to a day had passed since Great Britain awoke out of the slumber induced by trust in the pledges and promises of a foreign nation. The Empire was not prepared for war, and did not desire war, whereas the nation with which we came in conflict had been preparing assiduously for the day when she would join issue with us. While we were too near the picture to see it in its right perspective, we knew the vision about the early days of the war to enable us to appreciate the wonderful spirit that animated our men and women; and this country of ours made a most magnificent effort. From forge, from factory, from farm, and from shop the men came forward. The came with a high purpose; they saw the call of righteousness, the call of duty, the call of honour, and they never wavered. The history of the war of the British Empiore comprised in a large degree the achievements of our Scottish regiments, and in this last struggle, in every part of the globe where it raged, they found Scottish units in the forefront.

It was his good fortune to be associated with some of the greatest of the Scottish regiments at the very beginning - namely, the Highland Light Infantry, the Cameron Highlanders, and the Black Watch. Later on in Gallipoli it was equally his good fortune to be associated with the Lowland Territorial Division, the Scottish Horse, Lovat's Scouts, and other individual regiments; and later on, in France, with the Highland Territorial Divison, and with these two magnificent divisions of Kitchener's Army, the 9th and the 15th, who behaved with superb courage at the Battle of Loos. If he might be permitted to mention one more individual unit he would refer to his long association with the Glasgow Highlanders, a magnificent regiment, which combined to a large extent all the qualities of the Scottish race. Indeed, Scotsmen had every reason to be proud of their representatives in all these fields of battle, and therefore it was fitting that they should come there that day to unveil a memorial, as worthy as could be, of their great achievements. It was said sometimes that memorials were not needed to these men, who unfaltering devotion to duty brought distinction to our arms. His reply was that that it was highly necessary they should do all they could, by memorials or otherwise to keep before the younger generation the fine courage shown by those who came before them and to set them a high ideal. They sympathised with those whom the war had bereft, and hoped that they would retain the solemn pride in those whom Providence decreed should not return. he hoped that the influence of these men would remain with us and help us to advance the welfare, the honour, and the prosperity of this country, of which they were all so proud.

At the close of the address General Monro unveiled the memorial. Lady Monro placed the first wreath, and her action was followed by many relatives of the deceased.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 6:07 pm    Post subject: Sergeant Martin Gray C Coy A&S Highlanders Reply with quote

I'd like to say thank you to dhubthaigh for there research and kind words about my Great Grandfather Martin Gray.

BLAIRGOWRIE ADVERTISER: 16.09.1916

Sergt. Martin Gray, A. and S. Highlanders, whose wife and three children reside at Stoneye Cottage, Coupar Angus, has been missing since 25th September.
Mrs Gray received a letter of sympathy from his commanding officer, in which he said that Sergt. Gray was on the list for the D.C.M., and gave him great praise for the bravery and courage he displayed, stating he would always be remembered by those who knew him as a great example of manhood.
He served for twelve years with the Gordon Highlanders in India and South Africa, and had been out of the Army for eight years prior to the outbreak of the present war, when he re-enlisted in the A. and S. Highlanders. He has been awarded three medals with eight clasps, viz. - Indian Medal - Tirah, 1897-98, and Punjab Frontier, 1897-98; Queen Victoria's South African Medal - Belfast, Laing's Nek, Defence of Ladysmith, and Elandalaagte; and King Edward's South African Medal - South Africa, 1901, South Africa, 1902.
Sergt. Gray is a son of the late Mr Archibald Gray, Longriggend, Lanarkshire, and resided before enlistment at Plean, Stirling. He is married to the third daughter of Mr John Yule, Blairdrummond, near Doune, and is a brother-in-law of Mr John Yule, Kettins, where Sergt. Gray often spent his holidays. He is well-known in Coupar Angus district, and greatly respected.


My great grandfather has never been forgotten within the family and never will be as mentioned he was a professional soldier with the Gordon Highlanders for a number of years before the Great War.
He was on the reserve list and enlisted in the A&S Highlanders 10th Battalion in 1914. He was killed at Loos on the 25th September 1915 and his body like so many never recovered. Word came back to the family that having made a number of trips into no mans land to bring back wounded he was killed by a direct hit from a shell when making another venture to do the same.

We as a family know very little of my great grandfather, my grandfather being a baby but a few months old when his father went off to war. Unfortunately very little survives of his personal belongings to fill the gaps.
At Dud Corner Cemetery near Loos -en-Gohelle, along with 20,000 others his name is also commemorated.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sergt. Martin Gray



Also commemorated in Kettins Church;
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:41 pm    Post subject: Plean war memorial Reply with quote

Hello,

I'm trying to find out about the people named on this memorial.

So far, there are only three of the WW2 casualties for whom I have no info, plus two more whose photo is missing.

WW1 is more difficult, as I have only 8 photos out of a possible 59 and have no information at all on 22 of the men.

At Stirling Archives, I managed to find some articles from the Stirling Observer, I've looked on cwgc and ancestry and now I'm stuck! Can anybody help?

Here are the ones I can't find at all:

WW2 William Gault, George HC Hynds, David Thom. No photo for John Carruthers and Alexander Kerr.

WW1 Lough, Aitken, Bowers, Clark, Croy, Dalziel, Fitzpatrick, Henderson, Hepburn, Hughes, Kilgour, Love, Inglis, Martin, Menzies, McIntyre (J&W), Goodwin, Riddell, Wood, Paterson. I have photos for Martin Gray (many thanks to this site!), A&J Livingstone, D Murdoch, A McFeat, J McIntyre, D McMeekin, H Paterson.

The two Phees were in the Australian infantry apparently - so why would they be on the Plean memorial?

George Love was in the RAF and was my dad's cousin. I only have the info from cwgc and a family photo but would love to find out more...

For anyone who might be interested, there is a picture and short text on John McAuley, VC who lived for a time in the village. It is in the local library - I took photos a couple of years ago if that's any use.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 3:57 pm    Post subject: Pte. John Lough Reply with quote

WW1
Pte. John Lough

There's only two John Lough's on CWGC/SNWM and this man has a connection to Stirling. The other is from Ireland, so good chance it's him.

CWGC
LOUGH, J
Rank: Private
Service No: S/9427
Date of Death: 23/03/1916
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders 2nd Bn.
Grave Reference: L2. 3.
Cemetery: CAMBRIN CHURCHYARD EXTENSION

SNWM
Surname: LOUGH
Firstname: John
Service Number: S/9427
Date Death: 23/03/1916
Place of birth: Stirling
Other: 2nd Bn.
SNWM roll: THE ARGYLL AND SUTHERLAND HIGHLANDERS
Rank: Pte
Theatre of death: F.& F.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:25 pm    Post subject: Pte. Hugh Paterson Reply with quote

WW1
Hugh Paterson

(The Scotsman 19th June 1915)
"Private Hugh Paterson, who was thirty four years of age, and until two years ago resided at Irvine, when he removed to Plean, Stirlingshire. He enlisted seven months ago. This makes the eighteenth death among Irvine men at the front."

CWGC
PATERSON, H
Rank: Private
Service No: 15864
Date of Death: 19/05/1915
Age: 33
Regiment/Service: Royal Scots Fusiliers 2nd Bn.
Grave Reference: II. C. 3.
Cemetery: LILLERS COMMUNAL CEMETERY
Additional Information: Son of Mrs. L. Aitken (formerly Paterson), of 6, Woodend Terrace, Plean, Stirling.

SNWM
Surname: PATERSON
Firstname: Hugh
Service Number: 15864
Date Death: 19/05/1915
Place of birth: Plean Stirlingshire
Other: 2nd Bn.
SNWM roll: THE ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS
Rank: Pte
Theatre of death: F.& F.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

William Wallace PHEE was born in Plean. While Henry Gault PHEE was born in Bothwell but I think they were brothers.
Their service files are available on-line (for free Very Happy ) at
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/NameSearch/Interface/ItemsListing.aspx
Click on the name and then click on "view digital copy"

Both men enlisted at West Maitland NSW (as did two other Australian born PHEE's) It looks as though the whole family had moved there before the war.

Have a look at the files and if you have a problem let me know.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In view of Henry GAULT Phee being in Australia, I wonder if this might be William Gault?

GAULT, WILLIAM JOHN
Rank:Lance Corporal
Service No:VX22475
Date of Death:01/07/1942
Age:32
Regiment/Service:Australian Infantry
A.I.F. 2/22 Bn.
Panel ReferencePanel 17.
MemorialRABAUL MEMORIAL (Papua New Guinea)
Additional Information:
Son of William Hugh and Alice Rhoda Gault; husband of Edna May Gault, of East Brunswick, Victoria.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:03 pm    Post subject: Pte. James Clark Reply with quote

WW1
Pte. James Clark

CWGC
CLARK, J
Rank: Private
Service No: 4314
Date of Death: 02/04/1916
Age: 21
Regiment/Service: Army Cyclist Corps IX Div. Cyclist Coy.
Grave Reference: VI. E. 4.
Cemetery: ETAPLES MILITARY CEMETERY
Additional Information: Son of Mr. and Mrs. Clark, of 102, Red Row, Plean, Stirlingshire. Native of Cupar, Fife.

SNWM
Surname: CLARK
Firstname: James
Service Number: 4314
Date Death: 02/04/1916
Place of birth: Doureden Dunfermline
Other: formerly 1800 Arg. & Suth. Highrs.
SNWM roll: MISCELLANEOUS CYCLIST BATTALIONS
Rank: Pte
Theatre of death: F.& F.
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WW1
Smn. John Henderson

CWGC
HENDERSON, J
Rank: Able Seaman
Service No: Clyde Z/7405
Date of Death: 13/11/1916
Age: 20
Regiment/Service: Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve Nelson Bn. R.N. Div.
Grave Reference: I. B. 29.
Cemetery: ANCRE BRITISH CEMETERY, BEAUMONT-HAMEL
Additional Information: Son of Mrs. J. Henderson, of 29, Red Row, Plean, Stirling.

SNWM
Surname: HENDERSON
Firstname: John
Service Number: Clyde Z/7405
Date Death: 13/11/1916
SNWM roll: THE ROYAL NAVY
Rank: Able Seaman
Theatre of death: R.N.V.R. Nelson Battalion R.N.D.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi there,

Thank you both very much for your help.

Lough - yes I was wondering if it might be that soldier - I'm hoping he's the one on the Cowie memorial, as a lot of the Cowie men worked in Plean pit. Since the Cowie memorial is recent, they may have some more details.

Paterson - thanks for the bit from the Scotsman, which I didn't have, though I have a bit from the Stirling Observer. But I really meant Robert Paterson.

Phee - sorry I can't access the files... it says the session has expired.

Gault - could well be, but how to be sure?

By the way, am I right in thinking that I can't post the pictures/articles I got from the Stirling archives on this site? I have another article about the inauguration of the memorial, with pictures as well as the individual ones of the soldiers...

Thanks again,
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