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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:31 pm    Post subject: Unknown church parishioners WW1, Ayr Auld Kirk Reply with quote

Not listed on UKNIWM

Located in Ayr Auld Kirk at OS Map Ref NS 339 219

This memorial is in Ayr Auld Kirk and I am currently trying to find its original location.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:37 pm    Post subject: Darlington Reply with quote

I think i may have found the original location of most of those names. This a picture of the Darlington Church that sits on the corner of Main Street and North Harbour Street in Ayr. It is being cleared ready for sale from the council. There is a project gathering pace to help fund and turn it into a Columbarium. I was contacted by Gillian who has a facebook campaign and is behind the concept of that idea. She asked me If i could help identify the names on the original plaques.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:44 pm    Post subject: Original Plaque Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brothers lost in Iran and Iraq

McLELLAN, DAVID COWAN.
Rank:Serjeant
Service No:35205
Date of Death:13/11/1918
Age:36
Regiment/Service:Royal Field Artillery 2nd Bty.
Grave Reference:IV. G. 11.
Cemetery:TEHRAN WAR CEMETERY
Additional Information:Son of William and Mary McLellan, of 28, View Field Rd., Ayr; husband of Edith Mabel Baker (formerly McLellan), of 2, High St., Aylesford, Maidstone.

McLELLAN, JAMES COWAN.
Rank:Serjeant
Trade:Piper
Service No:9158
Date of Death:21/04/1917
Age:30
Regiment/Service:Seaforth Highlanders 1st Bn.
Panel Reference:Panel 37 and 64.
Memorial:BASRA MEMORIAL
Additional Information:Additional Information:Son of William and Mary McLellan, of 28, Viewfield Rd., Ayr.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:00 pm    Post subject: McKissock Reply with quote

Your fast Ken well done sir!

McKISSOCK, ANDREW

Rank: Private
Service No: 36676
Date of Death: 20/01/1918
Age: 18
Regiment/Service: Cameronians (Scottish Rifles) 5th Bn.
Grave Reference: R. 55.
Cemetery: EAST WEMYSS CEMETERY
Additional Information:Additional Information:Son of Mrs. Euphemia McKissock, of 9, Taylor St., Ayr.
born: Ayr
enlisted: Ayr
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and two "Canadian" brothers (and another Cowan)

HALL, WILLIAM COWAN.
Rank:Private
Service No:105229
Date of Death:05/10/1918
Age:31
Regiment/Service:Canadian Infantry 5th Bn.
Grave Reference:LXVII. H. 27.
Cemetery:ETAPLES MILITARY CEMETERY
Additional Information:Son of John and Jessie C. Hall, of Ayr, Scotland; husband of Mary Hall, of 153, High St., Ayr, Scotland.

HALL, CHARLES.
Rank:Sapper
Service No:87
Date of Death:29/08/1918
Age:35
Regiment/Service:Canadian Engineers 4th Bn.
Grave Reference:III. A. 2.
Cemetery:WANCOURT BRITISH CEMETERY
Additional Information:Son of John Hall, of Ayr, Scotland.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:15 pm    Post subject: Moffat Reply with quote

Cowan is a a fairly popular name in Ayr even to this day. Wonder if they were related?

MOFFAT, ALEXANDER
Rank: Private
Service No: S/11772
Date of Death: 15/09/1916
Age: 19
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders 11th Bn.
Panel Reference: Pier and Face 15 A and 16 C.
Memorial:THIEPVAL MEMORIAL
Additional Information: Additional Information: Son of Mrs. Mary Telfer Moffat, of 29, Russell St., Ayr, and the late Alexander Moffat.
born: Ayr
enlisted: Ayr
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's interesting. The memorial Paul posted may well have been a new one created when a church merged, hence the names from the marble plaque and the other names.

Could it be the marble one was left in situ in Darlington Church and the new one was placed in another church? Borderline Theatre moved into the church in 1986 and it looks like the congregation moved out in the 1970s.

So, if we can find out which church the former Darlington UF merged with in the 1970s it should mean we can name the one Paul found in the Auld Kirk.

Thanks

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 7:46 pm    Post subject: James Cairns Reply with quote

I have a picture of the roll of honour for this church. It's from the Ayr Advertiser/Town and West Country and Galloway Journal, Thursday 7th January 1915.
All the names previously posted above are on the list. I will transcribe the list post it when I get a chance.

CAIRNS, JAMES MELDRUM

Rank: Sapper
Service No: 25033
Date of Death: 15/11/1917
Age: 37
Regiment/Service: Canadian Engineers 2nd Field Coy.
Grave Reference: IV. F. 1.
Cemetery: LONGUENESSE (ST. OMER) SOUVENIR CEMETERY
Additional Information: Son of Agnes Cairns, of 30, Viewfield Rd., Ayr, and the late William Cairns.

Born; Ayr
Trade; Draper
Religion; Presbyterian
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ayr Advertiser/Town and West Country and Galloway Journal, Thursday 7th January 1915.

Darlington Place United Free Church Roll of Honour

Trooper George C. Allen Ayrshire Yeomanry, Annsmuir
Trooper Walter Allen Ayrshire Yeomanry, Ayr
Private J. W. Brown Seaforth Highlanders, Cromarty
Lt George Brotherston 1/5th Royal Scots Fusiliers, Stirling
Private James Cairns Royal Highlanders Canadians, Salisbury Plain
Private G. Carmichael 15th Bn Royal Scots, the Castle, Edinburgh
Sapper Charles Hall Canadian Engineers, Ottawa
Corporal William R. Johnstone 1/5th Royal Scots Fusiliers, Stirling
L/Cpl James Kelly 1/5th Royal Scots Fusiliers, Stirling
Private Robert Logan Seaforth Highlanders, Aldershot
Corporal David McLelland 2nd Bn Royal Field Artillery, Indian Expeditionary Force
L/Cpl James McLelland Seaforth Highlanders, Indian Expeditionary Force
First Engineer Alex Nelson M.F.A. Roedean
L/Sgt George F. Stoddart Anti-Aircraft Corps Admiralty, London
Private William Tait 1/5th Royal Scots Fusiliers, Stirling
Private Andrew Telfer 1st Bn Royal Scots Fusiliers, At home
Sub-Lt A. D. Thomson Royal Naval reserve, North Sea service
Private Robert Turner Highland Light Infantry, Gailes
Trooper George Wallace Ayrshire Yeomanry, Annsmuir
Sapper Robert Wallace Royal Engineers, Glasgow Company


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 9:37 am    Post subject: Any further updates on the names Reply with quote

I was wondering if there were any further updates on the memorial names. I have been doing my own searching and I am not having much luck. Is the problem that the names added to memorials are not always an exact match to birth/army names?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can see your problem Confused - this man for example:
On the memorial he is GEORGE CARMICHAEL and on the Roll of Honour he is Private G. Carmichael 15th Bn. Royal Scots

CARMICHAEL, ROBERT GEORGE
Rank:Private
Service No:17578
Date of Death:01/07/1916
Age:19
Regiment/Service:Royal Scots 15th Bn.
Grave Reference:V. D. 5.
Cemetery:GORDON DUMP CEMETERY, OVILLERS-LA BOISSELLE
Additional Information:Son of Mary Carmichael, of "Arrandale," 4, Cassillis St., Ayr, and the late William Carmichael.
Born in Australia.

If you would like to tell us which of the others are a problem, we will try to help out.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DUNCAN, A. [Alexander on Canadian records]
Rank:Private
Service No:20610
Date of Death:10/06/1915
Age:24
Regiment/Service:Canadian Infantry 4th Bn.
Grave Reference:II. B. 6A.
Cemetery:ETAPLES MILITARY CEMETERY
Additional Information:Son of Samuel and Margaret Duncan, of Ayr, Scotland. [Mrs M. Duncan 19 Viewfield Road, Ayr - on headstone schedule]
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kenneth - thank you for confirming Robert George Carmichael. I have spent a fortune on Scotland's People trying to work out whose parents might be living in Ayr and attending the Church but they had their children somewhere else. As with George Carmichael he was not born in Ayr, but enlisted in Ayr.

I was wondering if Gordon Hewitt is John Gordon Hewitt S/1176 2nd Battalion of the Black Watch, born in Cumnock but enlisted in Ayr. I have just found in the 1911 census, he was living with his parents in Wallacetown.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you are correct about Hewitt. I cannot see a viable alternative.
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