The Scottish Military Research Group - Commemorations Project

DelBoy · Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:34 pm Post subject: Allan Dunsmuir on Stevenston

I can't find an Allan Dunsmuir that's listed on Stevenston memorial for WW1.

There's one Allan Dunsmuir on TNA MIC's of the Argyll's numbered S/14188, but he's not on CWGC.

Two died during the war in Scotland, one a coal miner with no apparent link to the military and the other a 59 year old, both in Ayrshire.

Anyone any other contenders?

Kenneth Morrison · Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:05 am Post subject:

Might be this man????????

DUNSMORE, ALLAN
Rank:Serjeant
Service No:6500
Date of Death:19/12/1914
Age:44
Regiment/Service:Dorsetshire Regiment
2nd Bn.
Panel ReferenceFace D.
MemorialKIRKEE 1914-1918 MEMORIAL
Additional Information:
Son of John and Elizabeth Dunsmore, of Saltcoats, S'clyde.

Surname DUNSMORE
Firstname Allan
Service Number 6500
Date Death 19/12/1914
Decoration
Place of birth Saltcoats Ayr
Other 2nd Bn.
SNWM roll SCOTTISH CASUALTIES EXTRACTED FROM ENGLISH REGIMENTS
Rank Sgt
Theatre of death Mesopotamia.

Saltcoats is next door to Stevenston.
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Ken

Kenneth Morrison · Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:39 am Post subject:

Allan Dunsmore - I suspect that the age given on the CWGC register (44) is incorrect. Allan was born in 1884 in Stevenston - so 30 when he died. In 1891 John, Elizabeth, Allan, David, Martha and Alexander were still in Stevenston but by 1901 were at Shoreditch in London (Martha was still in Stevenston)
SDGW shows Allan as resident in Bermondsey, Kent (?)

According to The Long, Long Trail
In August 1914 the 2nd Dorsetshires were in Poona, India as part of 16th Indian Brigade in Poona Division.
On 6 November 1914 they landed in Fao, Persian Gulf, for campaign in Mesopotamia, as part of Indian Expeditionary Force 'D'.
So it looks like Allan died in India while his battalion were in Mesopotamia.
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Ken

DelBoy · Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:30 pm Post subject:

Ach! I tried various spellings, but not that one... Well done Ken.

Kenneth Morrison · Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:58 pm Post subject:

Derek - it's at times like these that I miss Geoff's Search Engine.
I put "Duns" into the search of SDGW on military-genealogy.com and looked down the list. Got Dunsmore born Saltcoats.

p.s. What are you doing so far south?????
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Ken

DelBoy · Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:19 pm Post subject:

yes, i too miss geoffs snwm engine.

It was a very roundabout query with a similarly named man that made me spot Dunsmuir/Dunsmore in a search, even thought the wrong man i looked hom up, or tried to Rolling Eyes

Cheers,
Derek.

kinnethmont · Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 1649 Location: Aberdeenshire

Kenneth Morrison · Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:28 am Post subject:

Cheers Jim.
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Ken

kinnethmont · Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 1649 Location: Aberdeenshire

Ken

The original register details for Bombay (Sewri) Cemetery – Grave X.C.12 shows his age as 44, and this detail was verified by his NOK.

Age is not that significant to the man's commemoration.
The record I found would need suporting evidence from a Birth Certificate, etc and also something to confirm it relates to 6500 Dunsmore. That will be difficult, likely not possible now, especially since the family moved to England and he enlisted there.

From what you write of the family it appears that the detail " Son of John and Elizabeth Dunsmore, of Saltcoats, S'clyde. " was actually wrong post WW1 when the record was created. I expect a sibling supplied these details and age to IWGC.
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Jim

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We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

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Kenneth Morrison · Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:31 pm Post subject:

Jim - I have to admit that the address "Saltcoats, S'clyde" has really bothered me. I would not have thought that Strathclyde, as part of an address, would have been in common use at that time but......
I would have expected Ayrshire. As I say "odd".
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Ken