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DelBoy
Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Posts: 4858 Location: The County of Angus
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:37 pm Post subject: Indentifying J. Ross (Rugby International) |
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There's a man called J. Ross listed by the S.R.U. library, but not it's own Roll of Honour, as one of the internationalists who died in WW1. However I can't find him on CWGC. Can anyone find me the right man please?
There is J. Ross rugby international who has a wikipedia entry, but there's no man on CWGC called Ross who died on the date given, 31/10/1914. There are two privates called James Ross of the London Scottish who died on the 01/11/1914 however, but no extra info on them, which rugby internationalists usually have.
There's a Scotsman article which gives this info about, presumably the same Scotland international J. Ross of the London Scottish, who died in the war, it reads "It was 31 October 1914, the date on which to this day the regiment formally remembers its fallen with a dinner at its headquarters, in London's Horseferry Road.
Among the men who fell at Messines on that afternoon was James Ross, who had captained the rugby club in 1901-2 and again in 1904-5. He was reported missing at the end of that day's fighting."
(Glasgow Herald 21st November 1914)
Cheers,
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dalblair
Joined: 26 Aug 2010 Posts: 564 Location: coupar angus
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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He is listed on the Fettes WM and in the updated,unpublished ROH.
Service No 2565-James Ross,1/14th London Regiment-killed in the charge at Messines-1/11/1914.
Menin Gate Memorial Panel 54. |
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DelBoy
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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Many thanks dalblair!
Derek. |
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kinnethmont
Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 1649 Location: Aberdeenshire
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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Name: ROSS, JAMES
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: London Regiment (London Scottish)
Unit Text: 1st/14th Bn.
Date of Death: 01/11/1914
Service No: 2565
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 54.
Memorial: YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL _________________ Jim
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
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DerekR Moderator
Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 3013 Location: Hawick, Scotland
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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Jimmy Ross
Scotland
Full name James Ross
Born February 15, 1880, Rutherford, Roxburgh
Died October 31, 1914, Messines (aged 34 years 258 days)
Major teams Scotland
Position Forward
http://www.espnscrum.com/statsguru/rugby/player/1471.html _________________
Time but th' impression stronger makes, As streams their channels deeper wear. |
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DelBoy
Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Posts: 4858 Location: The County of Angus
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:26 pm Post subject: John H. Dods |
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Wikipedia has one additional man listed. John Henry Dods.
ESPNscrum
Full name: John Henry Dods
Born: September 30, 1875, ?
Died: December 30, 1915, at sea off Cromarty (aged 40 years 91 days)
Major teams: Scotland
Position: Forward
Wikipedia
"John Henry Dods (died on 31 December 1915, aged 40) was a Scottish rugby union player.
He was capped eight times for Scotland between 1895–1897.[1] He also played for Edinburgh Academicals.
He was the brother of Francis Dods who was also capped for Scotland."
[UPDATE]
John Henry Dods died aged 40 in the accidental sinking of the H.M.S. Natal. He was a civilian (estate factor) so would not qualify for CWGC inclusion. Apparently there was a reception to which civilians had been invited including his wife and three children, all of whom perished.
CHeers,
Derek. |
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Adam Brown Curator
Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 7312 Location: Edinburgh (From Sutherland)
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: John H. Dods |
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DelBoy wrote: | [UPDATE]
John Henry Dods died aged 40 in the accidental sinking of the H.M.S. Natal. He was a civilian (estate factor) so would not qualify for CWGC inclusion. Apparently there was a reception to which civilians had been invited including his wife and three children, all of whom perished.
CHeers,
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See here for more on the loss of the 'Natal'. Dods gets a mention: http://scottishmilitary.blogspot.com/2010/12/on-this-day-in-scottish-military_30.html |
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DelBoy
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting stuff, a sad tragedy.
I read on another forum that the admiralty didn't include the civilian deaths in the list of those killed and this has caused confusion about how many did perish in total.
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dalblair
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:04 pm Post subject: Jimmy Ross |
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Also commemorated on Maxton WM in the Borders. |
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