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PERSIE & GLENSHEE, WW1 (Bridge of Cally)
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 4:34 pm    Post subject: PERSIE & GLENSHEE, WW1 (Bridge of Cally) Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This memorial was originally posted in the church section. However, having gleaned a little more information and obtained copies of the unveiling reports I am correcting the posts accordingly.
The combined parishes of Persie and Glenshee extend over a large area from Bridge of Cally at its southern end to the 'Spittal' in the north.
At the end of the Great War four churches were in use: Netherton U.F. at Bridge of Cally, Persie Parish Church (now disused), Cray U.F. near Dalnaglar (now disused) and Glenshee Parish Church at the Spittal.
Due to the large geographical area it was decided to have four plaques replicated and given to each church. Those at Netherton, Persie and Cray were erected on the outside of the building whilst Glenshee was placed inside. Three plaques still exist but the fourth, at Persie, has disappeared. A start was made to convert Persie into a house but it has lain uncompleted for many, many years.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

See Glenshee & Persie, Spittal of Glenshee
http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=2294&highlight=

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Persie & Glenshee, Cray
http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=410&highlight=
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


Surname CAMERON
Firstname Peter
Service Number 11224
Date Death 25/08/1915
Decoration
Place of birth Cupar
Other 6th Bn.
SNWM roll THE ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS
Rank L/Cpl
Theatre of death F.& F.

Name: CAMERON
Initials: P
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lance Corporal
Regiment/Service: Royal Scots Fusiliers
Unit Text: 6th Bn.
Age: 18
Date of Death: 25/08/1915
Service No: 11224
Additional information: Son of Donald Cameron and Agnes Dempster Cameron of "Mosswell," Prestwick, Ayrshire. Native of Blacklunans, Blairgowrie, Perthshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: I. F. 20.
Cemetery: VERMELLES BRITISH CEMETERY

L-Corpl. No. 11224, 6th Battn. Royal Scots Fusiliers, 1st s. of Donald Cameron, of Mosswell, Prestwick, by his wife, Agnes, dau. of the late James Dempster; and gdson. of the late Peter Cameron, Blacklunnans P.O.; b. Ladybank, co. Fife 18 Oct. 1897; educated Persie School, Blackwater, Blairgowrie; was apprenticed as a housepainter in Ayr, but joined the Royal Scots Fusiliers 10 Aug. 1914, after the outbreak of war; went to France at the beginning of May, and was killed in action near La Basse 25 Aug. 1915, being shot by a German sniper when he had volunteered to build a sandbag parapet after an advance. Buried in Vermelles Military Cemetery; unm.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would imagine Peter Cameron is also on the Prestwick War Memorial?

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Peter Cameron is indeed included on the Prestwick war memorial. Unfortunately most of my pics for Prestwick arn't very good but I hope to visit it sometime soon to get better and do a post, unless anyone else can cover it.
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BLAIRGOWRIE ADVERTISER: 27.08.1921

WAR MEMORIAL UNVEILED AT BRIDGE OF CALLY

Another of the numerous war memorials in this district was unveiled on Sunday - one to the honour of the men from the parishes of Persie and Glenshee who served in the war, and in memory of those who fell - a very artistic bronze tablet in a frame of grey granite sunk into the outer wall of the U.F. Church at Netherton beside the main entrance to the building. Notwithstanding the heavy rain, the special service held in the church by Re. D. Connachie was largely attended, considerably over 100 being present. The service of praise was very appropriate, and was led by Mr T. M’Laren, with Miss Nicoll at the organ.
Rev. Mr Connachie, preaching from Psalm xivii. 1, said there were five points to which he wished to call attention in regard to the memorial tablet. (1.) It was placed there to the glory of God. They thanked God for the faith with which He inspired the hearts of His people in the time of trouble and danger, and for the courage He gave to our young men to rally round the flag of our Empire and offer themselves for the most difficult part of the work. They thought not of danger, privation, or death. They felt it was better to live and die for the glory of God and for the honour of their country than to take the place of shirkers, deceiving themselves. They thanked God for the moral indignation which moved the hears of our statesmen to enter into the war at the right time, before it was too late to meet the brazen effrontery of our foes; for the insight and genius manifested in the minds of the commanders and leaders of our Navy and Army in the conduct of the war to bring us through to a glorious victory; for all the wonderful patience manifested during the war; for the beautiful comradeship that prevailed in the ranks; and for the fine spirit of the unity that prevailed with our allies. (2.) The tablet was to the honour all all who served in the war. Many of them did not know they were heroes, and even yet they did not count themselves, heroes, but they were heroes all the same. It was a great name to live up to, and it was well that they should remember their responsibility. Nothing was more distressing than to see a fallen hero. If they were to retain a high place as heroes they could not despise Divine ordinances, their need of the living God. (3.) The tablet expressed our human sympathy with all those who sacrificed the light of their live homes that we might live. (4.) The tablet was to the immortal memory of those who fell in the war. We had their names carved in letters of bronze, and we want them to be held in everlasting remembrance as saviours of our country. The last thing they thought was to save themselves. We did not mourn for our noble dead: they had passed form death unto life, and received the welcome - “Well done, good and faithful servant; enter thou into the joy of thy Lord”. We think of them not with sadness but with irrepressible joy. (5.) Last of all, we have to remember that we have been bought with a great price. We have been chosen to live at a period of the world’s history which was singularly attractive. We have to re-make relationships between the nations, to re-organise society. There was an idea in certain quarters that the only way to secure peace was to prepare for war. Surely that idea should be exploded now. The nations of Europe prepared for war, and got it. We have learned something better - that the only way to secure peace is to evangelise the world.
An adjournment was made to the outside of the church, where Lady Ashmore of Ashmore withdrew the Union jack from the memorial tablet, under which her Ladyship hung a beautiful laurel wreath.
The inscription and names were read by Rev. Mr Connachie as under:-

1914-1919. To the glory of God, and in honour of all from the parishes of Persie and Glenshee who served in the Great war, and in memory of the following who fell:-

LIEUT. E. W. CHAPMAN, 3RD DRAGOON GUARDS
LIEUT. A. MACKENZIE, ROYAL FLYING CORPS
LIEUT. P. J. C. WILSON, Q. O. CAMERON HIGHLANDERS
SECOND-LIEUT. ALISTAIR DUFF, 1/7TH SCOTTISH RIFLES (CAMERONIANS)
SERGT.-MAJOR D. CAMERON, CAMERON HIGHLANDERS
SERGT. R. LAMOND, CANADIANS
CORPL. F. M’INTOSH, BLACK WATCH
LANCE-CORPL. P. CAMERON, ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS
PTE. J. DUFF, BLACK WATCH
PTE. C. REID, CAMERON HIGHLANDERS
PTE. M. K. M’LEANNAN, K.O.Y.L.I.
PTE. D. G. CUTHBERT, SCOTTISH RIFLES
PTE. M. NICHOLSON, H.L.I.
PTE. C. ROBERTSON, SEAFORTHS
PTE. A. D. ROBERTSON, ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS
PTE. R. MITCHELL, ROYAL SCOTS
PTE. A. STEWART, BLACK WATCH
PTE. J. CAMERON, CAMERON HIGHLANDERS
PTE. A. G. ANDERSON, M.T., R.A.S.C.
PTE. M. CLARK, R.A.M.C.
PTE. J. MACDOANLD, BRITISH COLUMBIA HORSE
PTE. J. H. MURRAY, CANADIAN OCVERSEAS FORCES
PTE. A. R. REID, ROYAL WARWICKSHIRES
PTE. A. SMITH, BLACK WATCH, M.G.C.
PTE. R. THOMSON, BLACK WATCH
PTE. A. STRAITON, BLACK WATCH
TROOPER M. G. GILLESPIE, SCOTTISH HORSE


The dedicatory prayer, followed by the Benediction, was offered by Rev. Mr Connachie.
‘The Flowers of the Forest’ was played by Piper J. Constable, Westfields, Rattray, and the ‘Last Post’ was sounded by Mr Harry Ogilvie, Blairgowrie; and a very impressive service was concluded with the national Anthem.
The local Boy Scouts under Scoutmaster George Hunter, and the Girl Guides, under Miss Constable, were amongst those present.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dhubthaigh wrote:
Three plaques still exist but the fourth, at Persie, has disappeared.


Thank goodness another three copies were available. Perhaps that is why no-one was bothered about the fourth going missing?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thus far, three men remain 'unidentified' on this memorial including:

R. MITCHELL, ROYAL SCOTS.

However, I now have an extract from the Blackwater and Glenshee RoH which reads:

Robert Mitchell, Bleaton - 8th Royal Scots.

I can only find 'one' possibility:

Name: MITCHELL, ROBERT
Initials: R
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Royal Scots
Unit Text: 8th Bn.
Age: 25
Date of Death: 11/04/1918
Service No: 335231
Additional information: Son of James Mitchell, of Henderland, Selkirk.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 10 to 13.
Memorial: LOOS MEMORIAL
BORN: MEGGETT
ENLISTED: PEEBLES
RESIDENCE: YARROW

He is also commemorated:

YARROW, WARRIORS REST
http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?p=2884#2884
YARROW FEUS, WW1
http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=1896
PEEBLES
http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=820

I am assuming, if it is him, that he was a gamekeeper or servant on Bleaton Estate. Does anyone, particularly our Borders specialists, have any further information?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robert Mitchell confirmed as above. In 1911 he was a shepherd at Bleaton Farm, Persie where his uncle, John Mitchell - also born Meggett, was farm manager.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have just returned from holiday to read in the local paper that this church is to close and the last service is this Sunday, 17th July.

I am not surprised at yet another closure but I had not seen anything in the local press previously regarding this.

There is also an individual plaque on the outside wall. I do not know what will happen with these;

http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=2884&highlight=netherton
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have today written to a member of the relevant community council asking for any information regarding the plans for these memorials.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tonight I received a response to my correspondence as follows;

Good evening.

Sorry for the delay in responding earlier.
I have just returned from the Community Council Meeting, where I raised the question of the War Memorials.
It is believed the Church of Scotland will sell the site inclusive of the memorials, as they have done elsewhere.
It may be worth your while to contact the British Legion, as they may well have knowledge or a system in place to deal with similar situations.

Regards

Sally Fenner


Does anyone have a view on this? It would seem likely that they remain in situ even when converted to a private house. However if the purchaser does not like them at their front door they could dispose of them as they wish.

They sold off Cray Church further up the glen but removed the memorials and erected them on a specially designed wall in Spittal of Glenshee churchyard. It seems so inconsistent.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From Hodge Solicitors sales particulars

Fixtures and fittings: All fixtures and fittings in the building are included apart fromthe pews, pulpit, wall plaques, war memorial and clock which the sellers reserve the right to remove. Reasonable care will be taken to remove these items, but the sellers will not be obliged to reinstate any damage caused.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a difficult one, and probably unique that so many copies of the same memorial were erected in the same parish. With one memorial missing and one relocated to Glenshee what is to become of this one?

Perhaps the people who saved the last one could come up with a solution to this problem? Pam Cameron seemed to be the spokesperson before. Her contact details (I presume it is her) are under Cray House on this webpage

The Drumderg community benefit fund came to the rescue before, could it help again?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This individual plaque is also at Netherton;

http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=2884&highlight=keay
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