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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:47 pm    Post subject: Stirling Boy Scout Memorial Reply with quote

Scout Hall, 39 Queen Street, Stirling
The current building was opened in the 1930s to replace one in Princes Street. At the time all the Stirling troops met in the one hall but now only the 1st Troop meets there. The 1st Troop was formed in 1908.
The memorial is a bronze plaque bearing the inscription:
To the Glory of God and in Grateful Remembrance of Stirling Scouts who gave their lives in the wars of 1914-1918 and 1939-1945.
Above is a semi-circular relief showing three Scottish soldiers.

There is a separate Book of Remembrance listing the members of all scout troops in the Stirling area who fell in both world wars and between the wars. This book is kept on display in a glass-fronted case and is brought out around Remembrance Day so that the present day scouts can learn about the conflicts and what they meant to the scouts of the time.
The names have been inscribed by hand in beautiful italic script.
Thanks to Scott Park, Scout leader of the 1st Troop for allowing me to visit and see the memorial and Book of Remembrance.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:49 pm    Post subject: WW1 Reply with quote

1914-1918
Tom Farman
Tom Gemmell
Chas. Greenhorn (also on St Ninian's Old Parish Church memorial)
Deans Henderson
Jack Jamieson
Andrew McGregor
William Mackieson (also on St Columba's Church memorial)
Sydney Smith
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:50 pm    Post subject: between the wars Reply with quote

Between the wars
Bertie Waddell
Leslie Wilson
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:54 pm    Post subject: WW2 Reply with quote

1939-1945 1st Troop
Donald TP Crawford
James Davie
Peter (Pat) Davie
Henry Heron
Jack Horsburgh
Milne Johnstone
Leonard King
Alexander Lang
Robert D Liddle
Andrew McDermont
Angus McVicar
James Mailer
Hugh Matheson
Robert Millar
Alexander Miller
William Milne
Norman Murray
William A Murray
William Somerville
Cowan Stark
Ian Taylor
Leonard Watters
William Whyte

4th
Robert Anderson

6th
James Brown
Harry Cormack
William Lee
Ian Livingstone
Joe Ricketts

8th (this was a Roman Catholic troop; the scouts take boys regardless of creed but this one was started and supported by the Roman Catholic St Mary’s Church just across the road from the hall)
Anthony Gielty
John Kane
Michael Leonard
Joseph McDonald

11th
James B Anderson
John WF Cullens
John McBride
Ian Menzies
George Miller
James Ritchie

20th
D Chisholm
Robert Jackson
John Leckie
John Miller
L Stewart
E Vallance
C Younie
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks to Morag for reminding me I hadn't posted any further info about the scouts from WW1 so here goes.
Farman, T. H., Pte, K.S.L.I., 10 Middle Craigs.
FARMAN, THOMAS HENRY
Rank: Private
Service No: 21623
Date of Death: 19/10/1917
Age: 21
Regiment/Service: King's Shropshire Light Infantry 5th Bn.
Panel Reference: Panel 112 to 113.
Memorial: TYNE COT MEMORIAL
Additional Information: Son of Thomas Henry and Elizabeth Neilson Farman, of 10, Middle Craigs, Stirling
Surname FARMAN
Forename Thomas Henry
Rank Pte
Service number 21623.
Decoration
Place of birth
Date of death 19 October 1917
Theatre of death F&F
Cause of death Killed in action
SNWM roll SCOTTISH CASUALTIES EXTRACTED FROM ENGLISH REGIMENTS
Unit name THE KING'S SHROPSHIRE LIGHT INFANTRY.
Other detail 5th Bn. formerly 3462 R.A.S.C.

Gemmell, Thomas, Lieut., A. & S. H., Millhall.
GEMMELL, THOMAS
Rank: Second Lieutenant
Date of Death: 07/05/1918
Age: 21
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders "D" Coy. 7th Bn.
Grave Reference V. D. 22
Cemetery VALENCIENNES (ST. ROCH) COMMUNAL CEMETERY
Additional Information: Son of John and Elizabeth Gemmell, of Millhall Cottage, Stirling
Surname GEMMELL
Forename Thomas
Rank 2nd Lieut
Service number
Decoration
Place of birth
Date of death 7 May 1918
Theatre of death Unknown
Cause of death Died of wounds
Other detail (in German hands) 7th Bn. (T)
Name: Thomas Gemmell
Death Date: 7 May 1918
Rank: 2/Lieutenant
Regiment: Princess Louise's (Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders)
Battalion: 7th Battalion (Territorial)
Type of Casualty: Died of wounds
Comments: In German Hands

GREENHORN, CHARLES A
Rank: Private
Service No: 1979
Date of Death: 25/04/1915
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders 1st/7th Bn
Panel Reference: Panel 42 and 44.
Memorial: YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL
Additional Information:
Surname GREENHORN
Forename Charles A
Rank Pte
Service number 1979
Decoration
Place of birth Hamilton Lanarkshire
Date of death 25 April 1915
Theatre of death F&F
Cause of death Killed in action
SNWM roll THE ARGYLL AND SUTHERLAND HIGHLANDERS
Other detail 1/7th Bn
Service Record: enlisted in Territorials in February 1914; age 19; employed as driver with Archibald Russell Ltd; lodged with Ferguson, Cook Buildings, St Ninians; widowed father (Charles) lived in Hill Terrace, Cowie; brothers – John and James lived in Lanarkshire, David in Whins of Milton and Peter with father in Cowie
(Not on Stirling War Memorial)

HENDERSON, ARCHIBALD DEANS
Rank: Private
Service No: 333127
Date of Death: 09/11/1917
Age: 19
Regiment/Service: Highland Light Infantry 9th (Glasgow Hdrs.) Bn
Grave Reference: III. B. 15.
Cemetery: LA PLUS DOUVE FARM CEMETERY
Additional Information: Son of Alex and Christina A. Henderson, of 4, Cecil St., Hillhead, Glasgow.
Surname HENDERSON
Forename Archibald D
Rank Pte
Service number 333127
Decoration
Place of birth Glasgow
Date of death 9 November 1917
Theatre of death F&F
Cause of death Killed in action
SNWM roll THE HIGHLAND LIGHT INFANTRY
Other detail 9th Bn. (T.).
(Not on Stirling War Memorial)
Stirling Observer: 7 September 1915
Allans School Roll of Honour
A Deans Henderson HLI

Jack Jamieson - I'm assuming the Jack is for John, in which case he isn't on the Stirling War Memorial either, unless it is a middle name which I haven't found out. No doubt somebody on here will come up with it!!

Andrew McGregor - the Stirling Roll of Honour gives:
McGregor, Andrew, Mercantile Marine, Tighna Crioch, Causewayhead Road
but I can't find him.

Mackieson, William, Pte, A. & S. H., 23 Forth Place.
MACKIESON, WILLIAM
Rank: Private
Service No: S/14843
Date of Death: 29/10/1916
Age: 21
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders 2nd Bn.
Panel Reference Pier and Face 15 A and 16 C.
Memorial THIEPVAL MEMORIAL
Additional Information: Son of Hannah Strong Mackieson, of 23, Forth Place, Stirling, and the late Joseph W. Mackieson
Surname MacKIESON
Forename William
Rank Pte
Service number S/14843
Decoration
Place of birth Stirling
Date of death 29 October 1916
Theatre of death F&F
Cause of death Killed in action
SNWM roll THE ARGYLL AND SUTHERLAND HIGHLANDERS
Other detail 2nd Bn.
Stirling Observer 21 November 1916
Private Mackieson joined the Commercial and Professional Battalion of the Argylls last November and was drafted out to France in July this year. He saw a good deal of fighting at the Somme and it was there that he met his death. Deceased served his apprenticeship with Messrs Crawford and Fraser, architects, Stirling, afterwards becoming under assistant to Mr Baker in the Art Department of the High School. He gained the Art Bursary (£25 for four years) at the Evening Continuation Classes and became a student at the Glasgow School of Art where he stepped from first to third form in six months. He was an enthusiastic member of the Boy Scouts and for his voluntary services rendered at Forthside AOD during his vacations was awarded the Kings War Scout Badge. As a vocalist, he appeared with success as an imitator of Harry Lauder at social entertainments in the town in times of peace and was very popular. A few weeks before his death, he sang some of his favourite Scotch songs in a French village.
Also commemorated on Glasgow School of Art memorial.

Sydney Smith - the Stirling Roll of Honour has:
Smith, Sidney Fraser, 2nd Lieut., R.F.A., Laurelhill Place but I can't find him either.
Edit 12.3.2015
FRASER SMITH, SIDNEY FRASER
Rank: Second Lieutenant
Date of Death: 03/09/1917
Age: 22
Regiment/Service: Royal Field Artillery "D" Bty. 256th Bde
Grave Reference: XVII. E. 28.
Cemetery: ETAPLES MILITARY CEMETERY
Additional Information: Son of the Rev. David and Mrs Fraser Smith, of Stirling
Grave registration documents show Fraser scored out – to page 498
Medal card: France 17.6.17; died of wounds 3.9.17
NOK (mother) Mrs D Smith, c/o Union Bank of Scotland, Stirling
Stirling Observer 11 September 1917
2nd lieutenant Sidney Fraser Smith Royal Field Artillery died of wounds in France on 3 September aged 22; only son of Rev David Smith, St Ninians South UF Church and of Mrs Margaret Fraser Smith, Laurelhill Place; educated at High School of Stirling then Edinburgh University to study for Indian civil service; 2 years at university – medallist in history, geography and political economy; commissioned in Royal Field Artillery in August 1916 and went to France in January 1917; severely wounded on 17 July and never recovered


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it possible to get photographs, posted here, of these Memorials? I would be happy to go to Stirling take pictures if I can get details of who to contact and where the memorials are located. Unless someone nearer could do this.
Thanks.
Morag.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Morag, I have photographs but haven't been successful at posting any photos on here so I gave up!
The photos I have are of the Scout Hall itself and of the bronze memorial plaque which doesn't have names on it - they are in a separate book of remembrance.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Morag!

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Courtesy of Sandra and the Scoutmaster of the Troop here are the pictures.

The Scout Hall.



The War Memorial which is sited high on the wall above some lockers.

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