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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kenneth Morrison wrote:
I find it hard to believe that this is a non-com but it looks very like it?????


I think you are right Ken. If he was discharged and died within the same month, there may be a good case.

Kenneth Morrison wrote:
I don't see a matching death in Scotland but there is a George Menzies aged 37 who died in the December Quarter of 1917 at Hartley Whitney in Hampshire.


Elvetham Hall in Hartley Whitney was a hospital in the First World War. He may have died there?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

By 'Googling' Hartley Whitney, Hampshire, lots of articles come up amongst which is 'The National Sanatorium for Consumption and Diseases of the Chest, Bournemouth, Hampshire.'

That might confirm that it was (as Ken found), where George Menzies died.

I downloaded his Service File which clearly states that the cause of his discharge (TB) was definitely attributed to active service- it’s all there in black and white – the ‘medical’ pages are stamped by ‘Connaught Hospital, Aldershot’, dated 22nd November 1917.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got a message from Douglas on the Great War Forum that
"Via the BNA, there are a number of mentions about BSM George Menzies in the Stirling Observer in the early part of 1918. From the paper of 12 January 1918, the paper mentions he died in a hospital in Aldershot and had been gassed three times. In February 1918, the paper also indicated he was the step son of George Henshilwood."

From that I've worked out that George Menzies was born in Drymen in 1880 to Catherine Menzies. In 1887 Catherine married George Henshilwood in Drymen and they had 4 children including Jean (step-sister to George Menzies)
Catherine died in 1897, in Drymen.
George Henshilwood, a retired postman aged 79, died in Drymen in 1943.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

George Menzies's half brother:
HENSHILWOOD, DONALD EVAN.
Rank:Lance Corporal
Service No:S/12706
Date of Death:26/06/1916
Age:26
Regiment/Service:Cameron Highlanders 6th Bn.
Panel Reference:Panel 119 to 124.
Memorial:LOOS MEMORIAL
Additional Information:Son of George Henshilwood, of Main St., Drymen, Stirlingshire; husband (*) of the late Catherine Menzies Henshilwood.

(* I think this means Husband of George Henshilwood)
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ancestry's versions of the 1881, 1891, 1901 Census lists:

1881, Living at Balmaha Road, Drymen
Donald Menzies, age 65, Head/Stonemason, born Fortingall
Margaret Menzis, age 60, wife, born Fortinghall
Catherine Menzies, age 17, daughter, born Drymen
George Menzies, age 8 months, born Drymen

1891, George (age 10) was still living with his grandparents Donald & Margaret at Townhead, Drymen.

1901, Living at The Square, Drymen, he was still with his grandmother
Margaret Menzies, (Head/Housekeeper) born Fortinhall (age transcribed as 51 which will be 81)
George Menzies, age 20, Grandson/Woodman
Also W. A. Henshilwood, age 4, Grandson, born Drymen

Meanwhile, .....

1891, Living at Bank House, Drymen
George Henshilwood, age 26, postman, born Lanark
Catherine Henshilwood (nee Menzies), wife, age 27
George M. Henshilwood, son, age 1, born Killearn
Donald E. Henshilwood, son, age 1 month, born Drymen

1901, Living at The Square, Drymen
George Henshilwood, age 36, postman, born Lanark
George M. Henshilwood, son, age 11, scholar, born Killearn
Donald E. Henshilwood, son, age 9, scholar, born Drymen
Jean R. Henshilwood, daughter, age 7, scholar, born Drymen

None of the public trees list a date of death for Catherine Henshilwood nee Menzies.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great stuff Anne Very Happy

Just to round it off (although it caused me a bit of panic) the 1911 census at Drymen has
George Henshilwood 46 and Mary A. Henshilwood 42.
However his death register entry shows 1st wife; Catherine Menzies (she died in 1897) 2nd; Mary Ann Harkness (who he married in 1910 in Glasgow) The death was registered by his son, W A Henshilwood.

The Stirling Observer of 12 January 1918 reported
"SOLDIER'S FUNERAL - The remains of Srgt. Major George Menzies were laid to rest in Drymen Churchyard on Friday afternoon. There was a service in the church, and on Sabbath the Rev. J L Howat made sympathetic reference to the sad event. This is the first local soldier who has been interred in our churchyard since the war began."
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since George Menzies is now a "non-com" case, and to avoid duplicates posts, any updates will be posted on: http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/warmemscot-post-71548.html#71548
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There were 3 different George Campbells living in and around the Drymen area.

I believe the man on the memorial is this George:

CAMPBELL, George

CWGC: (G. Campbell)
Rank: Private.
Service No: 2164.
Date of Death: 23/05/1915.
Regiment/Service: Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders 1st/8th Battalion
Buried: Rue-Des-Berceaux Military Cemetery, Richebourg-L’Avoue
Grave Reference: I. A. 22.

SNWM: (George Campbell)
Rank: Private
Regiment: Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders, 1/8th Battalion
Service Number: 2164
Place of Birth:
Date of Death: 23 May 1915
Place of Death: France & Flanders
Cause of Death: Killed in action

Medal Index Card: George Campbell, Private, Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders, No. 2164
Killed in action 23rd May 1915. British War, Victory & 15 Star Medals
Theatre of War first served in: France. Date of entry therein: 1st May 1915 (In France for only 22 days?)

Service Record details:
George Campbell, Home Farm, Barcaldine, by Ledaig
Attested at Dunoon, 6th October 1914, Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders, 8th Battalion (Territorials), No. 2164
Age 23 years. Height 5 feet 10¾ ins
Military History Sheet:
Embodied/Home 6th October 1914 – 30th April 1915
British Expeditionary Force 1st May 1915 – 23rd May 1915
Next of Kin: Brother John Campbell
Killed in action in the field 23rd May 1915
Army Form 5080 (Deceased Soldier’s Living Relatives), completed by Brother John Campbell, Milton, Buchanan, by Drymen, dated 15th? May 1919, lists the following:
Parents both dead
Brothers:
John Campbell, age 47, Milton, Buchanan, Drymen
Alexander Campbell, age 43, 28 Smith Street, Kinning Park, Glasgow
Malcolm Campbell, age 41, 1 Risk Street, Dumbarton
Archibald Campbell, 10 Hunters Avenue, Ayr
Sisters:
Agnes McKenzie, age 38, Ballagan?, by Alexandria
Sarah Campbell, age 36, Corryloch Farm, Campbeltown
Janet Aitken, age 32, Nasmyth Villa, Stirling

Soldiers Died in the Great War: George Campbell, Private, Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders, No. 2164
Resided Drymen. Enlisted Dunoon. Killed in action 23rd May 1915

Soldiers’ Effects: George Campbell, Private, Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders, No. 2164
Killed in action 23rd May 1915
Brothers: John, Walter, Alexander, Malcolm & Archibald
Sisters: Sarah, Janet & Mrs Agnes McKenzie

1881 Census (transcription), Living at Blair, Buchanan, Stirlingshire (Before George was born)
Father John Campbell, age 33, Shepherd, born Kilfinnan? Argyll
Mother Janet Campbell (nee MacGregor)*, age 31, born Buchanan, Stirlingshire
Siblings John Campbell, age 9, Scholar, born Buchanan, Stirlingshire
Walter Campbell, age 7, Scholar, born Bonhill, Dunbartonshire
Alexander Campbell, age 4, born Buchanan, Stirlingshire
Malcolm Campbell, age 2, born Buchanan, Stirlingshire
Father-in-law of John, Walter MacGregor age 74, Boatman, born Drymen, Stirlingshire
Sister-in-Law of John, Elizabeth Gillespie, age 29, Formerly Domestic Servant, born Buchanan, Stirlingshire

1891 Census (transcription), Living at Blair, Buchanan, Stirlingshire (Before George was born)
Father John Campbell, age 43, Shepherd, born Mull, Argyll
Mother Janet Campbell, age 41, born Buchanan, Stirlingshire
Siblings John Campbell, age 19, Labourer in Acid Works, born Buchanan, Stirlingshire
Malcolm Campbell, age 12, Scholar, born Buchanan, Stirlingshire
Agnes Campbell, age 9, Scholar, born Buchanan, Stirlingshire
Sarah Campbell, age 7, Scholar, born Buchanan, Stirlingshire
Archibald Campbell, age 5, born Buchanan, Stirlingshire
Janet Campbell, age 3, born Buchanan, Stirlingshire

Father John must have died between 1891 - 1901

1901 Census (transcription), Living at Blair, Buchanan, Stirlingshire
Mother Janet Campbell, age 51, Housekeeper, born Buchanan, Stirlingshire
GEORGE CAMPBELL, age 9, Scholar, born Buchanan, Stirlingshire (c1892)
Siblings John Campbell, age 29, Labourer in Chemical Works, born Buchanan, Stirlingshire
Walter Campbell, age 27, Shepherd, born Jamestown, Dunbartonshire
Janet Campbell, age 12, Scholar, born Buchanan, Stirlingshire
Dougall Campbell, age 7, Scholar, born Buchanan, Stirlingshire *

*Details of Dugald Campbell to follow

Mother Janet Campbell nee McGregor must have died between 1901 - 1905

Sister’s Marriage (downloaded to verify parent’s names)
1905, 13th June at Buchanan Smithy, Buchanan Parish.
Thomas MacKenzie, age 28, Acid Worker, residing at Balmaha, Buchanan
Son of Thomas MacKenzie, Mason (deceased) and Mary Mackenzie nee Lacey
Agnes Campbell, age 23, Domestic Servant, residing at Buchanan Smithy, Buchanan
Daughter of John Campbell, Shepherd (deceased) and Janet Cambpell nee McGregor (deceased)

Glasgow Herald, 14th June 1915
Private George Campbell, 8th Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders, son of the late Mr. John Campbell, shepherd, Buchanan Parish, Drymen, near Loch Lomondside, was killed in action on May 23rd. He was 23 years of age and was a native of the Buchanan Parish, Loch Lomondside.

There was another George Campbell living in Gartness, details as follows:

1901 Census (transcription), Living at Gartness Farm, Drymen
Father Archibald Campbell, age 48, Farmer, born Drymen
Mother Grace Campbell, age 33, born Drymen
GEORGE CAMPBELL, age 7, Scholar, born Drymen
Siblings Jeanie Campbell, age 10, Scholar, born Drymen
Grace Campbell, age 4, born Drymen
John S. Campbell, age 8 months, born Drymen

This George is listed on a family stone in Drymen Churchyard. M.I. as follows:

In memory of ARCHIBALD ALEXANDER CAMPBELL, Farmer, Gartness
Who died 20th January 1904 aged 50 years
Also his wife GRACE HOWAT STIRLING who died 7th October 1913 aged 46 years
Also their daughter GRACE CAMPBELL who died 15th December 1951 aged 55 years
Their son GEORGE CAMPBELL, Croy Cunningham who died 30th November 1972 aged 79 years
Their eldest daughter JEANIE CAMPBELL died 5th August 1975 aged 84 years

I have been unable to find anything military related to this George.

By co-incidence, there was another George Campbell living in Drymen, (also Argylls) but possibly only in the district as a seasonal worker, details as follows:

CAMPBELL, George

Medal Index Card: George Campbell, Private, Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders, 2nd Bn., No. S/9591. Discharged 10th May 1916. British War, Victory and 15 Star Medals

Pension Record details:
George Campbell, Stirling Road Sawmills, Drymen
Enlisted at Stirling 7th June 1915, Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders, No. 1 Company, Depot, No. S/9591
Age 22 years 8 months. Trade: Wood Labourer. Height 5 feet 5¼ ins
Next of Kin: Father George Campbell, Academy Street, Tain, Ross-shire
Discharged (no longer physically fit for War Service/Tuberculosis) at Stirling Castle 10th May 1916
Age at discharge 23 years 6 months (Length of service: 339 days)
Intended place of residence: Academy Street, Tain, Ross-shire

No Silver War Badge award record found.

By yet another co-incidence, there was another George Campbell (also Argylls) with no connection to the district, but enlisted in the same regiment on the same day, at the same place, were killed on the same day and it appears (by their grave references) that they share a communal grave. Details as follows:

CAMPBELL, George

CWGC: (G. Campbell)
Rank: Private.
Service No: 1892
Date of Death: 23/05/1915.
Regiment/Service: Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders 1st/8th Battalion
Buried: Rue-Des-Berceaux Military Cemetery, Richebourg-L’Avoue
Grave Reference: I. A. 22.

SNWM: (George Campbell)
Rank: Private
Regiment: Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders, 1/8th Battalion
Service Number: 1892
Date of Death: 23 May 1915
Place of Death: France & Flanders
Cause of Death: Killed in action

Medal Index Card: George Campbell, Private, Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders, No. 1892
Killed in action 23rd May 1915. British War, Victory & 15 Star Medals
Theatre of War first served in: France. Date of entry therein: 1st May 1915 (In France for only 22 days?)

Service Record details:
George Campbell, West Back Cottage by Campbeltown
Attested at Dunoon, 25th August 1914, Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders, 8th Battalion (Territorials), No. 1892
Age 19 years 6 months. Height 5 feet 2½ ins
Military History Sheet: Embodied/Home 25th August 1914 – 30th April 1915
British Expeditionary Force 1st May 1915 – 23rd May 1915
Next of Kin: Mrs. John Campbell, West Backs Cottage, Campbeltown
Killed in action in the field, 23rd May 1915
Buried at Rue Des Berceau Military Cemetery, 9 ½ miles South West of Armentieres
Army Form 5080 (Deceased Soldier’s Living Relatives) completed by Mother Catherine Campbell, Backs Cottage, Campbeltown, dated 7th May1919, lists the following:
Parents: John and Catherine Campbell, Backs Cottage, Campbeltown
Brothers: William Campbell, age 34, Putechan, Campbeltown
John Campbell, age 30, Bleachfield, Campbeltown
James Campbell, age 19, Dumlenter? Farm, Campbeltown
Walter Campbell, age 15, Lossil Farm, Campbeltown (twin)
Alex Campbell, age 15, Back Farm, Campbeltown (twin)
Sister: Mrs Janet Smith, age 32, 49 Montague Street, Edinburgh

Soldiers Died in the Great War: George Campbell, Private, Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders, No. 1892
Resided Campbeltown, Argyll. Enlisted Dunoon. Killed in action 23rd May 1915

Soldiers’ Effects: George Campbell, Private, Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders, 1/8th Battalion, No. 1892
Killed in the field, 23rd May 1915
Father John Campbell (Also ‘self and children’ – presumably George’s sibling’s?)


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anne
George Campbell on the Drymen memorial seems to be the same man as the one on the Stirling civic memorial. I posted on Page 5 of the Stirling civic thread my struggles to find the right one between the two killed and buried together - http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=59&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60

His sister Nettie (Janet) lived in Stirling.

(Not that I had NEARLY the same quantity of information that you have!!)

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish I had seen your post Sandra - would have saved me pulling a few less hundred hairs out!!

There was another brother - details to follow!

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Following on from the George Campbell saga ....

The Drymen George Campbell's younger brother also served:

CAMPBELL, Dugald

Brother of Pte. George Campbell, Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders, 1/8th Bn., No. 2164

CWGC:
Rank: Private
Regiment: Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders, 11th Battalion
No: S/7231
Date of Death: 20th February 1916
Age: 22
Commemorated: Loos Memorial. Panel Ref: Panel 125 to 127
Additional Information: Son of the late John and Janet McGregor Campbell

SNWM:
Rank: Private
Regiment: Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders, 11th Battalion
No: S/7231
Place of Birth: Milton of Buchanan, Stirlingshire
Date of Death: 20th February 1916
Place of Death: France & Flanders
Cause of Death: Died of wounds

Medal Index Card: Dugald Campbell, Private, Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders, No. S/7231.
Died of wounds 20th February 1916 British War, Victory & 15 Star Medals.
Theatre of War first served in: France. Date if entry therein: 2nd October 1915

Soldiers Died in the Great War: Dugald Campbell, Private, Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders, No. S/7231
Born Milton of Buchanan, Stirlingshire. Resided Milton of Buchanan, Stirlingshire. Enlisted Stirling
Died of wounds 20th February 1916.

Soldiers’ Effects: Dugald Campbell, Private, Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders, 11th Battalion, No. 7231
Died of wounds 20th February 1916
Brothers: John Walter, Alexander & Malcolm
Sisters: Sarah, Janet (Janet scored out) & Mrs Agnes McKenzie

Buchanan Roll of Honour: Dugald Campbell, Buchanan, Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders

Strange that George was commemorated on Stirling Civic & Stirling Burgh Roll of Honour but Dugald wasn't.

Maybe Dugald and his sister Janet (Nettie)of Nasmyth Villa had fallen out - her name has been scored out on his effects document, or had she passed away?

Over to you Sandra - another wee mystery for you to solve!!

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:23 am    Post subject: Re: Spr. Robert McLean Reply with quote

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Spr. Robert McLean R.E.

(Glasgow Herald 1st Nov 1915)
"Sapper R. McLean, Royal Engineers, son of Mr & Mrs W. McLean, Coldrach Lodge, Drymen (killed), was a well known Drymen man, and is 26 years of age."

CWGC
McLEAN, ROBERT
Rank: Sapper
Service No: 19625
Date of Death: 09/05/1915
Age: 26
Regiment/Service: Royal Engineers 23rd Field Coy.
Panel Reference: Panel 1.
Memorial: LE TOURET MEMORIAL
Additional Information: Son of William and Annie McLean, of Coldrach Lodge, Drymen, Glasgow.

SNWM
Surname: McLEAN
Firstname: Robert
Service Number: 19625
Date Death: 09/05/1915
Place of birth: Drymen Stirlingshire
Other: 23rd Field Coy.
SNWM roll: THE ROYAL ENGINEERS
Rank: Spr


Sapper McLean is also commemorated on a gravestone at Cleethorpes- WMR 67544 refers
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