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Dumfries Congregational Church (Waterloo Place) WW1

 
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:25 pm    Post subject: Dumfries Congregational Church (Waterloo Place) WW1 Reply with quote

WMR - 81956OS Map Ref NX 97140 76350

This is one of a pair of newly discovered Rolls of Honour from the former Congregational Church in Irvine Street, Dumfries. The church is now de-consecrated and has been bought by a local antiques dealer who has the memorials for sale. The current and future locations of the memorials are to be confirmed. I have informed WMT about the memorials, in particular that they are for sale.

There is a puzzle about the two rolls. Is one an extension of the other or was this one originally in another congregational church in Dumfries and moved to Irvine Street at a later date?

The photographs are courtesy of Alison Fabian.





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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have edited the original post - thanks to Ken Morrison for pointing out my error.
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MATT. GILMOUR, ROYAL SCOTS.
Named on the Dumfries Burgh War Memorial as:
PTE. MATTHEW GILMOUR, R.S.
Matthew Gilmour age 19 Private (47563) 13th Battalion, Royal Scots.
Matthew was a former pupil of the Dalbeattie Higher Grade Public School. He had served his apprenticeship in Dalbeattie and was a baker in Dumfries when he enlisted in January 1917.
Born 1898 in Dalbeattie, Kirkcudbrightshire. Son of Matthew and Jane (Drain) Gilmour of Copland Street, Dalbeattie, and of 37 Queen Street, Dumfries.
Missing in Action on 1 August 1917 and named on the Ypres (Menin Gate) Memorial, Belgium.
Also named on the Dalbeattie War Memorial and on the Royal British Legion Roll of Honour now in Dalbeattie Parish Church.


FRED. JARDINE, H.L.I.
Named on the Dumfries Burgh War Memorial as:
PTE. FRED. JARDINE, H.L.I.
Frederick Wilson Jardine age 20 Private (41812) 12th Battalion, Highland Light Infantry.
Fred had worked at Troqueer Mills and then on munitions work at Dornock before enlisting as Private (5454) in the 2nd King's Own Scottish Borderers. He had been in France for a year.
Born 1897 in Dumfries. Son of Robert and Janet Jardine of 113 St. Michael's Street, Dumfries.
Killed in Action on 6 December 1917 and buried in Level Crossing Cemetery, Fampoux, France.

and his brother

WM. JARDINE, K.O.S.B
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Named on the Dumfries Burgh War Memorial as:
PTE. W. JARDINE, KOSB
William Jardine age 20 Private (241214) 1/5th (Dumfries and Galloway) Battalion, King's Own Scottish Borderers.
William was a warehouseman at Rosefield Mills in Maxwelltown when he enlisted in January 1916. He joined his battalion as Private (4578) in Egypt and served in Palestine where he was killed at Gaza.
Born 1896 in Dumfries. Son of Robert H. and Janet Jardine of 113 St. Michael's Street, Dumfries.
Missing in Action on 19 April 1917 and named on the Jerusalem Memorial, Israel.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ANDREW JOHNSTONE, CAMERON HIGH.
Named on the Maxwelltown Burgh War Memorial as:
JOHNSTON, ANDREW. PTE. CAMERONS.
Andrew Johnston age 33 Private (S/12769) 6th Battalion, Cameron Highlanders.
Andrew was educated at Laurieknowe School in Maxwelltown and served his apprenticeship as a plumber in Dumfries but he was employed as a brakeman by the Caledonian Railway Company, initially in Dumfries and later in Glasgow where he lived at 35 Elmfoot Street, Oatlands and at 170 Butterbiggins Road, Govanhill. Andrew enlisted in September 1914 and landed with his battalion at Boulogne in July 1915. He was wounded at the battle of Loos on 25 September 1915 and evacuated back to the UK. Andrew returned to his battalion in France in December 1915.
Born 1883 in Selkirk. Son of James and Mary Ann (Lauder) Johnston of 7 Woodside Terrace, Ryedale, Maxwelltown. Husband of the late Catherine (Reid) Johnston of Moniaive who he married in 1907 in Glencairn, Dumfriesshire. They were living at Elmfoot Street in Glasgow in 1911 when Catherine became ill and she died of tuberculosis at Dunreggan, Moniaive, Glencairn in 1912.
Killed in Action on 30 June 1916 and buried in Vermelles British Cemetery, France.
Also named on the Laurieknowe School memorial, on the Caledonian Railway Company memorial in Glasgow Central Station and on the Glasgow Roll of Honour.


ROBERT MALCOLM, K.O.S.B.
Named on the Dumfries Burgh War Memorial as:
PTE. ROBERT MALCOLM, KOSB
Robert Malcolm age 19 Private (32512) 7th/8th Battalion, King's Own Scottish Borderers.
Robert was employed as a cabinetmaker when he enlisted in July 1917. He had been in France for three months, and in the front line for just two days, when he was killed.
Born 1899 in Dumfries. Son of Robert and Mary Malcolm of 24 Balmoral Road, Dumfries.
Killed in Action on 23 July 1918 and buried in Buzancy Military Cemetery, Aisne, France.


RBT. McDOWALL, K.O.S.B.
Named on the Dumfries Burgh War Memorial as:
PTE. R. G. McDOWALL, M.G.C.
Robert George McDowall age 19 Private (42668) 22nd Company, Machine Gun Corps.
Formerly Private (2529) King's Own Scottish Borderers.
Born 1897 in Dumfries. Son of William and Maggie McDowall of Dumfries.
Missing in Action on 3 September 1916 and named on the Thiepval Memorial to the Missing of the Somme, France.


THOS.McWILLIAM, SCOTTISH RIFLES
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Named on the Maxwelltown Burgh War Memorial as:
McWILLIAM, THOMAS PTE. S.R.
Thomas McWilliam age 21 Private (20918) 10th Battalion, Cameronians (Scottish Rifles)
Thomas was educated at Laurieknowe School in Maxwelltown. He joined his battalion in France in December 1915. Tom died in the 17th Casualty Clearing Station at Lijssenthoek.
Born 1895 in Maxwelltown, Troqueer. Son of Thomas Gray McWilliam and of Ellen (Low) McWilliam of 56 College Street, Maxwelltown.
Died of wounds on 25 July 1917 and buried in Lijssenthoek Military Cemetery, Poperinge, Belgium.
Also named on the Laurieknowe School memorial.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WM.WRIGHT, R.F.C.
Named on the Maxwelltown Burgh War Memorial as:
WRIGHT, WILLIAM. LT. R.A.F.
William Wright age 26 Lieutenant: 31st Battalion, Canadian Infantry attached to the Royal Air Force.
William was educated at Glasgow Street School in Maxwelltown and had worked as a butcher in the High Street in Dumfries. He had served with the Territorial 5th KOSB before he emigrated to Canada in 1913 and was working at his trade in Calgary, Alberta when he enlisted in November 1914. He sailed from Canada in May 1915 and landed in France in September where he served as a Private, a Corporal and Sergeant (79780) in the battalion's machine gun section. He was wounded at St. Eloi in April 1916 and evacuated to the East Suffolk & Ipswich Hospital. On recovery he was commissioned as a 2nd Lieutenant in April 1917 and later was transferred to the Imperial Flying Corps, based at 52 Training Depot Station at RAF Cramlington in Northumberland where, latterly, he was a Lieutenant Instructor. He died of influenza and pneumonia in the Northern General Hospital, Newcastle upon Tyne.
Born 1892 in Paisley, Renfrewshire. Son of James and Annie (Paterson) Wright of 42 Church Street, Maxwelltown. Husband of Janet Caldon (Little) Wright of 55 Dock Park Terrace, Dumfries who he married in June 1917 in Troqueer while he was a Lieutenant in the 31st CIF.
Died on Service on 20 November 1918 and buried in Dumfries Cemetery. (CWG)
Also named on the Canadian Virtual War Memorial.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The D&G Standard of 6 June 1917 p.5 has a lengthy article which begins:

Congregational Church Social
A social meeting to celebrate the union of Waterloo Place and Irving Street Congregational Churches
was held in the hall of Irving Street Church Monday evening. The arrangements for union have been in progress for only a short time, the deaconates of each church acting as committee with the respective ministers as conveners, and so amicable have been the relations between the two bodies and so deep and fervent the desire for union that practically difficulty was experienced in completing negotiations....
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks to help from Ken, I now believe that the original location of this memorial was the church at Waterloo Place, Dumfries. OS Map Ref NX 97218 75861. The building still stands and is used by the Salvation Army. Note that the term Waterloo Place has fallen into disuse and the address is now 97 Whitesands, Dumfries.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:38 pm    Post subject: WMR (ex UKNIWM) report Reply with quote

WMR 81956
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 10:35 am    Post subject: Sale? Reply with quote

Do we know, 2 months on, what happened to this and the Irving Street Roll of Honour, whether they are still for sale, or, if sold, what happened to them?
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