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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:45 pm    Post subject: New Abbey Reply with quote

NEW ABBEY War Memorial

Stands in a small enclosure next to the Abbey at New Abbey approx 6 miles south of Dumfries on the A710

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

UKNIWM Ref: 5875

A couple of pics of other inscriptions


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting lettering on this memorial. It looks a very 1920s style. I notice it lists unit but not rank and there are quite a few Canadians listed for the number of names.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no listing for a Charles Farish on the CWGC nor in the C.E.F. on-line attestations.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a Pte. Samuel Farish, #2378745, who was killed in action on the 28th of August, 1918 while serving with the 52nd Battalion. He listed his birthplace as the county of Dumfries so this could be the same person?

I tried to attach the links to the above but unfortunately the Forum wouldn't allow me to do so.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derek, you have one of your 28th Battalion lads on the Memorial.

Pte George McCall, #178248, 87th Bn, link.
L/Cpl William McCubbing, M.M., #2336301, 50th Bn, link.
Pte William Andrew Currie McKie, #782381, 28th Bn, link.
Piper James Thomson, #28694, 16th Bn, link. CWGC list him as a Private but according to Ted Wigney's "The C.E.F. Roll of Honour", he was a Piper.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris.wight wrote:
There is a Pte. Samuel Farish, #2378745, who was killed in action on the 28th of August, 1918 while serving with the 52nd Battalion. He listed his birthplace as the county of Dumfries so this could be the same person?

I tried to attach the links to the above but unfortunately the Forum wouldn't allow me to do so.


There was a Charles Farish born in about 1884 in Lochrutton (about 11 miles from New Abbey) according to 1901 census - I don't know anything more about him but perhaps it was he who joined the canadians and is commemorated?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Samuel Farish is commemorated on an individual memorial in Kirkmichael posted here http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=1788&highlight=individual so I think it unlikely he is also commemorated in New Abbey

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Paul for the extra information.

I went and had a look at my history of the 14th Battalion and found our man, except that his last name was spelled with an "e".

Pte Charles Ferish, #63345, 14th Battalion, link. According to Ted Wigney's "The C.E.F. Roll of Honour", he was listed in the De Ruvigny Roll of Honour book.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

program for original unveiling



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris.wight wrote:
Thanks Paul for the extra information.

I went and had a look at my history of the 14th Battalion and found our man, except that his last name was spelled with an "e".

Pte Charles Ferish, #63345, 14th Battalion, link. According to Ted Wigney's "The C.E.F. Roll of Honour", he was listed in the De Ruvigny Roll of Honour book.


I thought I had an explanation for FARISH/FERISH when I found a Dumfries Birth Register entry for Charles Farish where the Registrar has annotated a change to Ferish. However the date is 14 February 1874 which would make him 41 at death. His attestation papers give 17 January 1885 at Dumfries - which would make him 30 at death.

I know from other research that it was not unusual for "older" men to give false dates of birth (James Milroy 114764 RCD was born 14/1/1875 but gave 14/1/1882 on enlistment - died 1917 aged 42.) but, as per this example, they seem to stick with day and month.

Just to confuse things further the Dumfries & Galloway Standard of 19 June 1915 reports that a Mr&Mrs R Varney of Troqueer had been informed that their nephew, Charles FARISH, of the Canadian Infantry had been KIA on 29 May. He had been in Canada for about 3 years prior to the outbreak of war and was aged 24 (!) - So a DoB of c1891

He is listed in the Stewartry Roll of Honour as of Troqueer, enlisted in 14th Battalion and KIA 29 May, but that's it.

A search of the Scottish Birth records from 1875 to 1900, using F*rish, Charles, returns only the 1875 one detailed above, so I'm really no further forward.

Any ideas?
Is he listed in the De Ruvigny Roll of Honour?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The FARISH/FERISH story is a bit of a puzzle but I think this is the history

Born 17 January 1884 at Easthill Cottage, Lochrutton, Kirkcudbrightshire as CHARLES FARRIES, son of Thomas and Sarah (Varney) Farries.

On the 1891 census CHARLES FARRIES, age 7, is at Grey Morrin Cottage, Troqueer, Kirkcudbrightshire with his uncle and aunt Robert and Ellen Varney. Place of birth, Lochrutton.

On the 1901 census CHARLES FARISH, a lodger, age 17 and an apprentice gardener, is at Moffat Rd. Dumfries. Place of birth Lochrutton.

In 1911 CHARLES FARISH is listed as a passenger sailing from Glasgow to Halifax, Canada.

On 3 November 1914 CHARLES FERISH enlists in CIF giving a DoB of 17 January 1885 at Dumfries. He is killed in action on 29 May 1915.

On 19 June 1915 the local newspaper reports that Mr. & Mrs. R. Varney of Grey Morrin Cottage, Troqueer have been informed that their Nephew, CHARLES FARISH serving with Canadian Forces was KIA 29 May.
He served his time as a gardener at Marchmont and later was employed by Mr. Keswick at Mabie. He had been in Canada for about 3 years before the outbreak of war.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well you've convinced me. Well researched. 3 different spellings of surname Shocked

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DAVID BLACK : NEWABBEY : 1:5 KOSB
David Carruthers Black, Private (2025 & 240577) 1/5th Battalion (Dumfries and Galloway) King's Own Scottish Borderers. Age 23.
David landed with his battalion at Gallipoli in June 1915. He then served in Egypt and Palestine.
Born 1894 at New Abbey. Son of Alexander and Catherine (Carruthers) Black of The Village, New Abbey.
Killed in action on 19 April 1917 and buried in Gaza War Cemetery, Palestine.


DAVID BURGESS : NEWABBEY : RFA
David James Burgess, Driver (96894) 91st Battery, Royal Field Artillery. Age 26.
David was a ploughman at Heathfield, Hollywood when he enlisted in the RFA in July 1915. He was a Private in the 37th Reserve Battery of the RFA at Maryhill Barracks, Glasgow when he married in February 1916. David died of influenza and pneumonia while serving in India.
Born 1892 at Dryfesdale, Dumfriesshire. Son of David and Sarah (Douglas) Burgess of Heathfield, Holywood, Dumfriesshire. Husband of Margaret (McGinily) Burgess of Barbeth, New Abbey who he married in 1916 at Braco Cottage, Irongray, Kirkcudbrightshire.
Died on 1 November 1918 and buried in Nowshera Military Cemetery, Pakistan.
Named on the Dehli Memorial (India Gate) and on the Holywood Great War Memorial.


ROBERT CARSON : CRAIGIESIDE : RN
Robert Carson, Deck Hand (14959DA) H.M. Drifter "Silvery Harvest", Royal Naval Reserve. Age 21.
Robert was an electricians labourer when he enlisted as Ordinary Seaman (J60905) in the Royal Navy in October 1916. He was transferred to the Royal Naval Reserve in March 1917 and was drowned when HM Drifter "Silvery Harvest" was sunk in a collision off Berry Head, Brixham, Devon.
Born 1897 at New Abbey. Son of David and Mary Jane (Hopper or Connell)Carson of Craigieside, New Abbey.
Lost at Sea on 16 May 1918 and named on the Portsmouth Naval Memorial.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The sons of Constable John Clingan of New Abbey Police Station and of Agnes Jane (Edgar) Clingan of Millhouse, New Abbey.

THOMAS CLINGAN : TOWNHEAD : 1:5 KOSB
Thomas Clingan, Private (1973) 1/5th Battalion (Dumfries and Galloway) King's Own Scottish Borderers. Age 20.
Thomas had been a gardener at Ellangowan House, which was built for James MacGowan, Chamberlain of the burgh of Dumfries, when he enlisted in October 1914. He landed with his battalion at Gallipoli in June 1915.
Born 1895 at Troqueer, Kirkcudbrightshire.
Killed in action on 29 December 1915 and buried in the Redoubt Cemetery, Gallipoli, Turkey.


WILLIAM CLINGAN : TOWNHEAD : 6. KOSB
William Clingan, Private (25398) 6th Battalion, King's Own Scottish Borderers. Age 24.
William was a butcher in Maxwelltown when he enlisted in July 1916. He went to France in December 1916 and was killed at Arras.
Born 1893 at Troqueer, Kirkcudbrightshire.
Killed in action on 9 April 1917 and buried in Roclincourt Valley Cemetery, France.

The brothers are also named on the New Abbey Free Church Memorial and Roll of Honour and on the Roll of Honour of the Sweetheart Abbey Lodge of the Independent Order of Oddfellows, Manchester Unity and Friendly Society.


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