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Tom



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:54 am    Post subject: Deanston & District ~ WWI & WWII Reply with quote

Deanston and District war memorial is a bronze plaque attached to the outside wall of Deanston Distillery (formerly a cotton mill). It records those who died in both world wars who came from the village and it's surrounding area (parish of Kilmadock).
The village of Deanston is situated on the banks of the River Teith about 1 mile from Doune and mid way between Stirling and Callander.
The position of the memorial can be seen at the centre of my first photo as indicated by the bright dot of the poppy wreaths at it's foot. This part of the building served as a village hall in the days when the cotton mill was the main employer in the area.







This memorial appears not to be listed in the official index.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good post. Interesting to see how they have listed the men on the memorial. In this style it would, usually, be alphabetical.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first man listed on the memorial;

NAME: JOHN PIGOTT
RANK: Private
REGIMENT: Scots Guards
UNIT: 1st Battalion
SERVICE NO: 9457
AGE: 23
ENLISTED: Glasgow
PLACE OF BIRTH: Callander
DATE OF DEATH: 25.01.1915
DIED HOW: Killed in action
THEATRE: France & Flanders [Date of Entry; 28.12.1914]
GRAVE/MEMORIAL REF: Panel 3 and 4.
MEMORIAL: Le Touret Memorial, France

THE STRATHEARN HERALD: 04.03.1916
DOUNE SOLDIER KILLED


Private John Pigott, 1st Scots Guards, whose parents reside at Deanston, and who was reported missing in January of last year, is now reported killed.
Previous to enlisting he was in the Glasgow Police Force. He is the seventh Doune man to give his life for his country.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:30 pm    Post subject: Mistake Reply with quote

Help please!
I tried to add some more photos to my post but created a 'new topic' rather than a 'reply'. Could a moderator please amend?
Sorry,
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Photos courtesy of Tom





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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is interesting, the memorial post dates 1945 since both world wars are listed and the Geat War is called WW1. I wonder if it dates from the time of the building of the hall it is fixed to (1960s)? Pte Pigott is also listed on the memorial at Doune and I suspect a lot if not all these men are listed there too.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stranger still. James Blacklock is listed on this memorial, but his brother John, is not. Both are listed on the Kilmadock W.M. Confused
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adam Brown wrote:
This is interesting, the memorial post dates 1945 since both world wars are listed and the Geat War is called WW1. I wonder if it dates from the time of the building of the hall it is fixed to (1960s)? Pte Pigott is also listed on the memorial at Doune and I suspect a lot if not all these men are listed there too.

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I think you are right Adam. This memorial probably replaced an earlier WWI memorial lost/destroyed when many of the older parts of the mill were demolished and rebuilt as we see it now. The original intention was possibly to record the names of those who were employees of the mill hence the overlap with the Kilmadock Parish memorial at Doune.
I am just about to post the WWII Doune memorial plaque which includes all of the Deanston men shown above.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Tom. that makes it even more interesting. A former mill memorial for the First World War incorporated with a civic Second World War memorial.

Thanks for the update.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:07 pm    Post subject: Mill c.1900 Reply with quote

Here is how the mill looked c.1900 prior to the post WWII renovations:



Compare with the first photo.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If this was a memorial for the millworkers you'd have thought this would have been stated on the plaque rather than the general 'Deanston & District'.

I've had a very quick look at the names - 31 in total. 13 do not appear on the Parish Memorial, almost half, which is a big percentage rather than odd variation normally seen.

These are the names not recored on main civic monument;

DUNCAN WALKER
JAMES MOFFAT
JAMES CLARK
CHARLES GARDNER
ARTHUR WARREN
HENRY LIDDELL
ALEXANDER DUNCAN
JAMES ALLAN
ROBERT WALKER
THOMAS RORIE
ALEXANDER STEWART
WILLIAM MOFFAT
JAMES MOFFAT


Here are three I've picked out. I believe Thomas Rorie Jnr is on the Parish Memorial (Seaforths). Thomas Rorie is not, he was with the Canadians.

Name: RORIE
Initials: T(homas)
Nationality: Canadian
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Canadian Infantry (Central Ontario Regiment)
Unit Text: 116th Bn.
Age: 38
Date of Death: 08/08/1918
Service No: 690621
Additional information: Son of Mr. and Mrs. Thomas Rorie; husband of Agnes Rorie, of 93, West Ferrie St., Hamilton, Ontario.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: A. 66.
Cemetery: HOURGES ORCHARD CEMETERY, DOMART-SUR-LA-LUCE

THE STRATHEARN HERALD: 14.09.1918
DEANSTON SOLDIER KILLED


Mr and Mrs Thomas Rorie, Deanston, have just had notice that their son, Thomas, was killed in France about three weeks ago. He joined up in Canada several years ago, and had seen a good deal of service in France. During the start of the German offensive in March, he was spending a happy leave with his father and mother in Deanston. The event is all the more sad as it has come very quickly after the news of the death at the front of his younger brother. His wife and family are in Canada.

THE STRATHEARN HERLAD: 02.11.1918
TRIBUTE TO DEANSTON CANADIAN


Mrs A. Rorie, widow of Private Thomas Rorie, Canadians, has received the following letters from the front in regard to the death of her husband, says a Canadian paper published in the town where Mrs Rorie resides:-

“Dear Mrs Rorie, - It is my painful duty to have to write to inform you of the death of your husband, who was killed in action on Thursday morning, August 8, while advancing over the enemy’s territory with his company in the third battle of the Somme, in which our battalion took an active part. During the time your husband served with his battalion his work was of a very commendable nature. His cheerful disposition and thought of others, coupled with his devotion to duty, had owon for him the high esteem of both officers and men of his company. His loyal and patriotic spirit was an incentive and encouragement to all his comrades, and his loss is most keenly felt. To console you you at the time of so great a loss, I feel no words of mine will suffice. You have, however, th great and glorious consolation of knowing that your husband died a noble death with many of his comrades, fighting for the principles of right and justice. In extending to you the sympathy of myself, officers, and non-commissioned officers and men of this battalion, I trust that the blessing of God may be with you to bear up bravely under so heavy a loss, - Sincerely yours, Lt.-Col. V. R. Pearkes, V.C., M.C., O.C. 116th battalion”.

“Dear Mrs Rorie, - On behalf of the company commander, the officers, and men of the company, we tender our sympathy to you on the death of your husband, Thomas Rorie. Your husband was known and highly esteemed throughout the company. On the morning of our advance on August 8, he carried on as he always did, in a soldierly manner, and when about 500 yards from the jumping-off trench he was hit by a shell. Death was instantaneous. We as a company tender again our sincere sympathy, and pray that the comfort of God almighty may be yours, - M. S. Elliot, Lt., 116th Batt.”


Name: WARREN, ARTHUR ERNEST
Initials: A E
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
Unit Text: 1st/7th Bn.
Age: 33
Date of Death: 24/12/1917
Service No: 276280
Additional information: Husband of Janet Warren, of 89, Fallin, Stirling.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: X. A. 6.
Cemetery: GREVILLERS BRITISH CEMETERY

THE STRATHEARN HERALD: 12.01.1918
DEANSTON SOLDIER KILLED


We regret to announce that Arthur Warren, of the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders, has been killed in France. Arthur had a long Deanston connection, and though not born in the village, was staying there when he enlisted. He came from Lutton to Deanston when a boy, and was long employed in the cloth department of the Deanston Works. He leaves a widow and small family. Arthur was a very popular young man, and news of his death has been received with general regret.

also

Name: LIDDLE, HENRY DUNCAN
Initials: H D
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
Unit Text: 1st/8th Bn.
Age: 41
Date of Death: 31/07/1917
Service No: S/3946
Additional information: Son of William Liddle, of Deanston, Doune; husband of Catherine Liddle, of Brouchour, Doune, Perthshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 42 and 44.
Memorial: YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stuart Murray is also on the Stirling War Memorial - he was educated at the High School of Stirling.
According to the Stirling Observer of 22/10/1918, he was the second son of Keith Murray, the Head teacher of Deanston School. He was possibly the youngest casualty on the Stirling war memorial.

MURRAY, STUART HAY
Rank: Wireless Operator
Date of Death: 02/10/1918
Age: 17
Regiment/Service: Mercantile Marine S.S. "Arca" (London)
Panel Reference
Memorial: TOWER HILL MEMORIAL
Additional Information: Son of Keith Stuart Murray and Isabella Moir Murray (nee Crockett), of The Schoolhouse, Deanston, Perthshire
Surname MURRAY
Forename Stuart H
Rank Wireless Operator
Service number
Decoration
Place of birth Deanston
Date of death 2 October 1918
Theatre of death 'ARCA' 135147
Cause of death Unknown
SNWM roll THE MERCANTILE MARINE
Other detail
Arca was a defensively armed British merchant ship. On the 2nd October 1918 when 40 miles NW by W from Tory Island, Ireland, she was torpedoed without warning and sunk by the German submarine U-118 (Herbert Stohwasser) 52 lives lost including the Master.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:52 am    Post subject: WMR (ex UKNIWM) number Reply with quote

WMR 77718
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