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MUIRAVONSIDE & REDFORD COLLIERIES, WW1, STANDBURN
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Charlie Walker



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Clark,

He lived in Standburn. The family lived there till the diaspora to Westquarter. I can't say for certain where he worked. I'm hoping to work on it. My own Father didn't know and he died last year aged 87. I do know that most of the family worked in pits in the area, the brickworks and on the land.

Do you have connections with the area?

Best wishes.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Charlie,

My only connection is that my gt-grandfather moved to Standburn between 1912 and 1915 (where we find him living at no.27 Standburn), and is remebered on the war memorial (see previous posts). He also appears on the Muiravonside Cemetary memorial. I see that your grandfather, Thomas Walker, is also listed on these two memorials and indeed is on the 'Muiravonside and Redford' panel on the cemetary one so perhaps he and my gt-grandfather were workmates ?

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Charlie Walker



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Clark,

Thomas was actually my Great Uncle. I've little doubt all of those guys would have known each other in some connection. I've got a note of his Standburn address somewhere. I'll look it out and let you know.

Merry Chritmas.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adam Brown wrote:
I notice the inscription says it is memory of the men employed at Muiravonside & Redford Collieries so I would say this is a company rather than a civic memorial.
Adam

Just looking through some of the Central memorials and I agree with Adam that this is a company memorial.

I see there is a Muiravonside Parish Memorial and the men from Standburn (& Redford) are listed on it.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Today is Remembrance Day and I mentally lay a wreath at this memorial.
My husbands great-grandfather is Joseph Robertson who served in the Scots Fusiliers 1st Battalion. His name is recorded on the Menin Gate. His great-uncles were Robert Robertson and Matthew Brown.
If anyone does have old pictures we would love to see them. Great Grandma came out to Australia in 1927 and died in 1946. One of her granddaughter's was my mother in law, who lost a lot of her photos in the 1956 floods at Inglewood Qld. Between migration and floods we have no photos.
Grandma Christina was listed as living in 105 Standburn in Joseph's War Record and left from there for Australia, so she presumably was able to continue living there - were they tied cottages?
As well, what was the British requirements for serving? I would have thought that being a coalminer was a reserved occupation! One of the remarks also talks about restrictions on married men with children being called up were relaxed in 1916 - so how did Joseph with 5 children die in 1915?
Thank you for the clear photgraphs as well - they led us to Joseph!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Ros and welcome - great to see posts such as this on the forum. Sorry to hear about the photos - I hope someone can help.

Conscription for single men was introduced in January 1916 and for married men in May 1916 so if he died in 1915 then he must have volunteered after the outbreak of war or been already serving as a regular or as a Territorial at the outbreak of war.

Coal miner was certainly a reserved occupation in WW2 but my own grandfather was a coal miner prior to joining up in WW1 unfortunately we are not sure of his service dates or if he volunteered or was conscripted.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From 'The Scotsman', Monday 20th November 1922, Page 5

"Standburn Collieries

A beautiful memorial fountain erected to the memory of 28 men of Redford and Muiravonside Collieries, Standburn, who fell in the war, was unveiled by Capt. Thomas Harvey of Weedingshall, Polmont, yesterday afternoon. The memorial is of Creetown silver-grey granite. The service was conducted by Rev. David Bain, B.D., Parish Minister, while Mr. William Webb, J.P., Falkirk, presided. Mr J. Cunningham, of Standburn Mission Church, and Mr Hugh P. Black, chairman of the Stirlingshire Education Auithority, also took part in the proceedings. A firing party of 7th Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders, under Sergeant-Major Cunningham, and the Wallacetone Pipe Band performed the military honours."
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:04 pm    Post subject: Standburn War Memorial Reply with quote

I was disappointed to read a comment that the Standburn War Memorial was not being kept in good condition. As someone who has known this memorial since childhood I am saddened to think that the memorial is now no longer up to the standard that I remember over the years and the responsibility for maintaining it must rest with Central Region Council.

As a point of interest, on the website's National List of War Memorials, you show Standburn War Memorial, Irene Terrace, it is in fact, Main Street.

Irene Terrace is at the Eastern end of the Village and Main Street is at the Western end, where the Memorial is located.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:16 am    Post subject: ANZAC Day Reply with quote

(Yesterday 25 April was ANZAC Day here in Oz - a very big day for us with huge marches and wreath laying. My husband's naval unit celebrated with a big reunion weekend and we have only got home)

We lay a wreath at this memorial for great/great, great grandpa Joe Robertson, his brother Uncle Robert Robertson and his brother in law Uncle Matthew Brown.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matthew Brown

CWGC:
BROWN, M
Rank: Gunner
Service No: 61138
Date of Death: 24/04/1917
Age: 21
Regiment/Service: Royal Garrison Artillery, 99th Siege Bty.
Grave Reference: IV. C. 30.
Cemetery: DUISANS BRITISH CEMETERY, ETRUN
Additional Information: Son of Peter Brown, of 7, Standburn, Avonbridge, Stirlingshire.

SNWM:
Surname: BROWN
Forename: Matthew
Rank: Gnr
Service Number: 61138
Place of birth: Muiravonside Stirling
Date of death: 24 April 1917
Theatre of death: F&F
Cause of death: Died of wounds.
SNWM roll: ROYAL GARRISON ARTILLERY
Unit name: Unknown Unit attached to ROYAL GARRISON ARTILLERY

SDGW:
Name: Matthew Brown
Birth Place: Muiravonside, Stirling
Residence: Avonbridge
Death Date: 24 Apr 1917
Death Location: France & Flanders
Enlistment Location: Falkirk
Rank: Gunner
Regiment: Royal Garrison Artillery
Number: 61138
Type of Casualty: Died of wounds
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre

Additional info from Service Record:
Address: 7 Standburn, Avonbridge
Age: 19 years 3 months
Height: 5' 5 1/2"
Occupation: Miner
Attested at Falkirk 30th October 1915
Religion: Roman Catholic
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

George Mills MM is mentioned in today's Falkirk Herald

MILLS, G
Rank: Lance Serjeant
Service No: 275742
Date of Death: 09/04/1917
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders 7th Bn.
Awards: M M
Grave Reference: III. B. 2.
Cemetery:ROCLINCOURT VALLEY CEMETERY

http://www.falkirkherald.co.uk/news/community/brave-braes-soldier-was-too-great-to-live-1-3568028

The First World War is full of tragic tales of death and bravery but one Muiravonside man was called “too great to live” following his departure.

Lance Sergeant George Mills, who was listed as living at Causewayend, was killed in action aged just 25 on April 9, 1917, fighting for the 9th Battalion Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders.

Before enlisting he worked as a miner at the local Redford Colliery. His Second-Lieutenant W.E. King was gushing with praise and pride at having served with a man who was awarded the Military Medal for his bravery under fire.

In a letter to the soldier’s mother, he said: “He was my platoon sergeant, and gave me great assistance in training the men for the push. I am making no exaggeration in saying that by officers, NCOs and men he was recognised as a great soldier. When Col Hyslop heard of his death, his words were ‘he was too great to live’.”

The second-lieutenant also went on to reveal how Mr Mills’ brave words on the field of battle would live with him forever.

He added: “On Monday 9th, at 7.10 a.m. we went over the top, and your son as he got over turned and smiling to the men, shouted, ‘Come on boys.’ That will always live in my memory. While making for a bunch of Germans, who were sniping furiously, he fell with a bullet in the head.

“I did not hear the sad news until an hour or so afterwards, and it damped me considerably. The shelling was severe at the start, but it died away, and we met with considerable success.”
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Military Medal - The London Gazette
Publication date:27 October 1916 Supplement:29805Page:10482
2871 L./,Sjt. G. Mills, Arg. & Suth'd Highrs.

Medal card of Mills, George
Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders 2871 Lance Serjeant
Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders 275742 Lance Serjeant
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:54 am    Post subject: Lewis Clark Reply with quote

Lewis Clark Pte S/13475 1st Gordon Highlanders b Clydebank, Lanark e Airdrie Age 21 Killed in Action F & F 28/03/1918 Son of Mrs Lewis Clark, 71 Standburn Rows, Standburn. Soldiers Effects: Father: Lewis Mother Agnes. Occ: Employed in Redford Colliery. Messrs James Nimmo & Co. Arras Memorial M. R. 20 Panel 8 & 9 Falkirk Herald 20-04-18 P3: Standburn
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