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allan1047



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John Chapman was a private in the AIF
His service number was 4938
Australian Infantry 54th Battalion
He is buried in the Herbecourt British Cemetery ref B 8
He was the son of John and Isabella Chapman of High Banton, Kilsyth.
He died on the 1st September 1918 aged 34.

1901 Census High Banton Kilsyth
John 44 coal miner b BantoHelen 40 b Ireland
John Chapman 16 b Slamannan Sterlingshire coal miner
Matthew 11 b Banton
Helen 9
Marion 9
Mary 6
Robert 4
Bella 2
Charles Gillies 59 Uncle

Herbecourt British Cemetery : The first six burials in Row A were made in February and March, 1917.
At that time and until after the Armistice the cemetery was an Extension Eastwards of the Communal Cemetery Extension used by French and German troops, but the French and German Extension has been removed.
The village fell into German hands in March, 1918, and was recaptured by the 6th Australian Infantry Brigade on the following 29th August; and in August and September, 1918, the cemetery was completed.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 3:19 pm    Post subject: David Johnstone Reply with quote

David Johnstone died on the 11th June 1917
He was a private in the Australian Infantry AIF 35th Battalion
His service number was 130
He was 27 so was born in 1890 in Banton, Kilsyth.

CWGC: Panel 7-17-23-25-27-29-31
Ypres (Menin Gate) Memorial

He was the son of James and Christina Proban (should be Provan) Johnstone High Banton Kilsyth.

1901 Census High Banton
David Provan 58 head
Barbara Provan 57 wife
Jane 29
Bella 24
Thomas 20
James Provan 15
Barbara 15
James Johnstone 39 son in law
David Johnstone 11 born Banton grandson (son of John)

When in the Third Battle of Ypres an offensive was mounted by Commonwealth forces to divert German attention from a weakened French front further south.
The initial attempt in June to dislodge the Germans from the Messines Ridge was a complete success, but the main assault north-eastward, which began at the end of July, quickly became a dogged struggle against determined opposition and the rapidly deteriorating weather.
The campaign finally came to a close in November with the capture of Passchendaele.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 3:28 pm    Post subject: Charles McPherson Reply with quote

Charles Macpherson died on the 27th November 1915.
His service number was 76486

CWGC: Sapper C Macpherson 76486 aged 18 Royal Engineers 2nd ext Kilsyth Cemetery

Son of Hugh and Janet Macpherson of 27 Kelvinside Avenue Kilsyth

Also on the Kilsyth memorial
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columba



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is fascinating about the Lawrie family!

I've been looking at the details for Henry as he is remembered on the Stirling WM. His birth certificate has his surname as Lowrie and census records have both Laurie and Lourie - adds a certain something to searching!! (Added to that the father's first name sometimes appears as Hendry!)

The brothers were Thomas (b c 1867), James (b c 1871), Henry (b 8/11/1876), Joseph (b c 1880), Alexander (b c 1882), Peter (b c 1890), Archibald (b c 1895).

In 1891 and 1901 the family was living in Maryhill, Glasgow which of course housed an army barracks.

In 1911, Henry was stationed at Stirling Castle and on 31/12/1912 he married Mary Borland, a shop keeper, living in Baker Street, Stirling. He was stationed at Maryhill Barracks at the time of his marriage.
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columba



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An update on the Lawrie family. I had a wee look at the British Newspaper Archive and found these snippets:

Falkirk Herald Saturday 14 October 1911
Haggs & Longcroft
Seven sons in the Army
Mr Henry Lawrie, Widow’s Row, Haggs, can lay claim to unique record and one that will be very hard to beat. Of a family of seven sons ….

Kilsyth Chronicle Friday 15th October 1915
Haggs family lose other two sons
….. son of Mr Henry Lawrie, Haggs (formerly Banton) and the second son to fall in this war, Joseph having been killed in Hay(?), third son was killed in the Boer War…..

Kilsyth Chronicle Friday 15 September 1916
… 27th September last year. A comrade sent news of his death about that time. Harry was one of the three sons of Mr and Mrs Henry Lawrie to fall in this war. He was an ex soldier and was employed in the Ordnance Stores at Stirling. He was married.

Kilsyth Chronicle Friday 21 June 1918
In Memoriam
Peter Lawrie, HLI and Sergeant Harry Lawrie, A&SH kia at battle of Loos, September 1915; Pte Joseph Lawrie A&SH kia May 1915, Archie accidentally killed September 1910; beloved sons of Margaret Lawrie, Haggs ……..

Archie was killed accidentally - he was 6 in 1901 so about 15 in 1910. Statutory death: Archibald Lawrie, 1910, aged 16, Haggs. There was also a mention in the Kilsyth Chronicle in 1911 of an action by Henry Lawrie, Widow's Row, Haggs in which he was suing the Banknock Coal Company for the death of his son. I wonder if that was Archie?

Thomas was 13 in 1881; would he still have been fighting in 1918??

Statutory death: James Lawrie, 1915, aged 44, Haggs; (aged 19 in 1891 Census)

Henry had left the army after his marriage in 1912; I think that explains why he was with the 10th Battalion of the Argylls rather than 1st or 2nd and didn't go to France until 11th May 1915.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:33 pm    Post subject: WMR (ex UKNIWM) number Reply with quote

WMR 77516
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columba



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:26 pm    Post subject: Lawrie family Reply with quote

A further update on the Lawrie family:
Neither Thomas is a brother of Henry, Peter and Joseph. According to the Kilsyth Chronicle of 22/11/1918, Thomas Lawrie who died on 15/11/1918 was married to Jeannie Patrick; their marriage certificate shows he was not the son of Henry & Margaret (Chapman).
So the story as I have it is:
Joseph was killed on 10/5/1915 at Ypres
Henry and Peter were both killed on 25/9/15 at Loos

Archibald was killed on 21/9/1910 in a mining accident at the age of 16.
Another son was allegedly killed in an accident early in the war:
James was the informant on their father's death certificate in 1917 so he wasn't killed in an accident early in the war.

The only two unaccounted for are Thomas and Alexander. I can't find any report of either being accidentally killed but I suppose it may not have happened in Scotland.

Another newspaper report says one was killed in the Boer War.
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