The Scottish Military Research Group - Commemorations Project

Gam123 · Joined: 06 Sep 2017 Posts: 5 Location: Inverness Scotland

Good morning
everyone.
hopefully someone can help me with this.
im looking for any information concerning a officer of 1st lovat scouts.
2nd lieutenant Arthur James Byrne rising to the rank of captain.maybe major
he was educated at Ampleforth college ,Roman catholic boarding school
ive looked for information concerning this period but have been unsuccessful any assistance would be much appreciated
he went to Gallipoli on 7/9/15.
thank you
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George macdonald

Kenneth Morrison · Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:47 am Post subject:

Morning George.
One bit (so far)
London Gazette 8 December 1914 Supplement: 29002 Page: 10575
1st Lovat's Scouts;
The undermentioned to be Second Lieutenants : — Arthur James Byrne. Dated 19th October, 1914.
1914. 15th June 1915.
LG 20 July 1915 Supplement: 29237 Page: 7166
'1st Lovat's Scouts.
The undermentioned Second Lieutenants to be temporary Lieutenants. Dated 15th June, 1915: — Arthur J. Byrne.
LG 15 June 1917 Supplement: 30134 Page: 5971
2nd Lt. (temp. Lt.) A. J. Byrne to be Lt.,. with precedence as from 7th Oct.
LG 1 March 1918 Supplement: 30553 Page: 2714
The undermentioned Capts. to have precedence 1st June 1916, with seniority next below Capt. N. E. Macgregor:— Capt. (actg. Maj.) J. Dewar, and to remain actg. Maj. Capt. J. Calder. Capt. A. J. Byrne.
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Kenneth Morrison · Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:45 pm Post subject:

Another bit!
The Irish Society (Dublin) 16 June 1923 p.4
The engagement is announced, and the marriage will shortly take place, between Mr. Arthur James Byrne, second son of the late Andrew William Byrne, Croney Byrne, Co. Wicklow, and Georgina Maria Hulton, widow of the late Henrv M. S. Fellowes and youngest daughter of the late Professor Wrightson. Downton Hall, Hants.

The Co. Wicklow address is the same one as on his Medal Card.
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Ken

Gam123 · Joined: 06 Sep 2017 Posts: 5 Location: Inverness Scotland

Ken
Thankyou so much for the information
This will really help me with my research.
So he was acting major!!
If you where to find anymore information could you send me a link to it.
Thanks again
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George macdonald

Kenneth Morrison · Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:02 am Post subject:

George - the ref to temp major applies to Dewar not to Byrne.
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30553/supplement/2714
(LHand column near top in Yeomanry section)

and the wedding did happen!
in the September Quarter of 1923 in London
Fellowes, Georgina M H. to Byrne, Arthur J in Paddington
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Ken

Gam123 · Joined: 06 Sep 2017 Posts: 5 Location: Inverness Scotland

Hi Kenneth
Thanks for the link.
Concerning the wedding,when checked his DOB is stated as 1901
So i don’t think this is the correct,arthur Byrne,but what is puzzling me is it’s the same address that’s on the mic
He would have been 14 when he was a 2nd lieutenant ??
Kind regards
George[/img]
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George macdonald

Kenneth Morrison · Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:18 am Post subject:

George - I "googled" Georgiana's full name (Wrightson) and got some of the details of the Byrne family here - http://www.thepeerage.com/p36230.htm

The father of her new husband Arthur James (b.1901 as you say) was Andrew William who had married Jane Browne, and his father was Andrew William who had married Mary James Browne, and his father was Andrew William - as so on and on!
It seems likely then that there is going to be more than one Arthur James Byrne, so good luck trying to sort that out.
I did notice that the father named on the Medal Card was J.M.Byrne

This might be of interest - From a sales document at http://www.itm.ie/AssetLibrary/Files/ITM2013/Investing/Property/Croneybyrne.PDF

HISTORY Steeped in history, Croneybyrne House was built in 1820 in a Georgian style to replace an earlier mansion house of the Byrnes of Croney. The Byrnes developed a prosperous and modern estate and would have been recognized as great landowners in County Wicklow during the 18th and 19th century. They developed a large tannery business in Liverpool that was supplied with bark from the oak trees growing abundantly in Croney on the lands that they owned. The bark would have been shipped to Liverpool from Wicklow port, one of the busiest ports along the east coast of Ireland at that time. At one point, there were around 40 workers on the estate; several them involved in the felling of the trees for the tannery business. A sawmill on the estate provided local employment and the services of nearby business would have been engaged by the estate. The Croneybyrne demesne was at its busiest during the mid-Victorian era during the industrial revolution. Revenues flowed from the tannery and dye works that the Byrnes were involved in. The death of Queen Victoria saw significant changes that dramatically affected Croneybyrne. With the end of the Boer War, the demand for leather slumped as the British Army cut its purchases. A general economic depression directly affected the tannery business in Liverpool owned by the Byrne family. The new century, saw a lot of change at Croneybyrne where the Byrne family remained involved in the estate. The sons and daughters all played their part in the local area, with the only daughter, Miss May, playing a prominent part in the Rathdrum area with involvement in school committees in the local convent, and an active role in many projects of a charitable nature. One of the sons, Laurence Junior was a prominent member of the English Bar and eventually was elevated to the High Court in England, presiding over and decided the outcome of a number of important cases. One of the most sensational cases that he presided over happened to be his last case which was the appeal by Penguin books against the ban by the Lord Chamberlain prohibiting the sale of the highly controversial novel, “Lady Chatterley’s Lover”, by D.H. Lawrence.. Byrne overturned the ban and allowed the appeal by Penguin. Unusually for this area, the Byrne family were Catholics and two of the Byrne sons were priests, Ambrose later being Dean of Amplethorpe a well-recognised catholic boys school in England. The oratory and papal dispensation to celebrate mass in the house again would be quite unusual. Andrew Byrne died about 1922 and left the estate to his wife and daughter, Miss May. After trying and failing to raise funds from letting the lands they had to dispose of the estate in 1926. The house, 300 acres of farmland and 200 acres of forestry, was sold to a Mr. Connell. After successfully farming the lands, Mr. Connell then sold the property in 1963 to a Mr. Broderick. The current owners purchased the property in 2008; all that was remaining of this historical property were the 4 walls and the grounds were completely over grown. They embarked on the immense undertaking of renovating the house to the wonderful property it is today.
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Kenneth Morrison · Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:29 am Post subject:

As a complete aside - The grandson of Georgiana Maria Hulton Wrightson of Downton Hall, Hants is Julian Fellowes of "Downton Abbey" fame. Cool

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Ken