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Sgt Kirkpatrick - Grayfriars Church

 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:01 pm    Post subject: Sgt Kirkpatrick - Grayfriars Church Reply with quote

The memorial is in Grayfriars church, Dumfries. This church is no longer in use. It is the Regimental church for KOSB and also contains laid-up colours.

The memorial is not listed on UKNIWM.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder what the story is behind this plaque?
A sergeant at 19 and in the 4th Bn. KOSB when from Dumfries?

I've looked the name up and the only match I can find is here:
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=1645925

Pte William Kirkpatrick, 1/5th KOSB kia Gaza.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know it was my post, but I only photograph them, I don't research them.
Do you think it could be his father's battalion or something?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Note the plaque says 4th Reserve Territorial and CWGC puts him in 1/5th Bn.

Was 4th Reserve Bn the old 3/5th KOSB? It will need more research. I've read of a 21 year old RSM in a TA Bn in 1940 who ended the war as a Major.

Sgt Kirkpatrick' s parents also had some money to be able to erect a plaque in the church so why was he good enough to be a Sergeant at 19 but not commissioned?

Questions, questions...

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, the 4th Reserve Bn absorbed the old 3/5th KOSB on 1st Sep 1916 (see: http://www.sonsofgalloway.org.uk/5thkosb/reservelines.html).



My records suggest that he enlisted about 14th Oct 1914, and being about 16 or 17 years old was probably held back until later in the war. The only thing that doesn't tally is his rank, although it is possible that he had some sort of acting/temporary rank in the 4th (Res) Bn. since he had been enlisted for over two years.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

William Thomas Kirkpatrick – age 19 – Private (2102 & 240741) 1/5th (Dumfries and Galloway) Battalion, King's Own Scottish Borderers.
William was educated at Glasgow Street School in Maxwelltown and was an apprentice joiner in his father's business when he enlisted in October 1914. He joined the 1/5th KOSB in Palestine at the end of 1916.
Born 1898 in Maxwelltown, Troqueer. Son of John and Janet (Craig) Kirkpatrick of “Elizafield”, Terregles Street, Maxwelltown.
Missing in Action on 19 April 1917 and named on the Jesusalem Memorial, Israel.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is now memorial 71585 on the WMR, ex UKNIWM
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