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teddy
Joined: 25 Oct 2008 Posts: 214 Location: Penpont, Dumfriesshire
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 3:29 pm Post subject: Morton War Memorial |
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Help is needed please with some of the men of this WM.
1) We have two Segt John Black's one with Cameron Highlanders and have as Service No 17527; and another with KOSB's and found nothing, can anyone help me please?
2) Pte James Cowan KOSB's found nothing - help please.
3) Pte John McArthur Cameroians, help please.
4) Pte A. Todd Service No 23216 KOSB's in 7/8th Bn death 17/9/1918, anyone help with service record or any further details, as have contact who wishes information.
I would be very grateful for any information regarding these men or for any information on others on WM, started on a book for the WM.
Many thanks for your time.
Teddy. |
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Kenneth Morrison
Joined: 29 Sep 2008 Posts: 7745 Location: Rockcliffe Dalbeattie
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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Listed on Morton (Thornhill) and Lockerbie WMs
Name: MACARTHUR, JOHN RENWICK Initials: J R
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Cameron Highlanders
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Age: 31
Date of Death: between 01/10/1916 and 02/10/1916
Service No: 17944
Additional information: Son of Mr. and Mrs. William Macarthur, of Dryfe Lodge, Boreland, Lockerbie, Dumfriesshire; husband of Mary Ellen Macarthur, of High Fardingbank, Thornhill, Dumfriesshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: IV. J. 12.
Cemetery: STRUMA MILITARY CEMETERY _________________ Ken |
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kinnethmont

Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 1649 Location: Aberdeenshire
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:53 pm Post subject: Todd / Cowan |
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Is Morton and Thornhill one, and the same?
Name: TODD
Initials: A
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: King's Own Scottish Borderers
Unit Text: 7th/8th Bn.
Date of Death: 17/09/1918
Service No: 23216
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: XII. D. 3.
Cemetery: ST. MARY'S A.D.S. CEMETERY, HAISNES
Archibald Todd
Res Thornhill, e Dumfries
There was a James Cowan KOSB discharged unfit on 17 Oct 1918.
240905 enlisted 30 Dec 1914.
If the correct man he may have died before the memorial was raised. Check local deaths. _________________ Jim
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
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teddy
Joined: 25 Oct 2008 Posts: 214 Location: Penpont, Dumfriesshire
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:30 pm Post subject: John Renwick MaArthur |
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Many thanks Ken, you have found the correct man, he is on family grave in Durisdeer Cemetery
Thanks,
Teddy. |
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teddy
Joined: 25 Oct 2008 Posts: 214 Location: Penpont, Dumfriesshire
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:40 pm Post subject: Todd and Cowan |
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Kinnethmont,
The War Memorial is for the Parish of Morton and it is is Thornhill.
Thanks of information of Archibald Todd enlisting in Dumfries.
Regarding James Cowan found from Ken he is – Private (17398) “D” Company, 1st Battalion, King's Own Scottish Borderers attached to 1st Battalion, Royal Scots Fusiliers. Born 1895 at Glasgow (Source: SNWM)
Son of James and Willie Minnie (McClounie) Cowan of Troon, Ayrshire. (Source: CWGC) Missing in Action – 14 July 1916.
Commonwealth War Grave – Thiepval Memorial, Somme, France. Listed on Dalbeattie WM. - found he is not on Dalbeattie WM.
Thanks for your help.
Teddy
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kinnethmont

Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 1649 Location: Aberdeenshire
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | The War Memorial is for the Parish of Morton and it is is Thornhill. |
Could a MOD merge these two threads under Morton Parish War Memorial ? _________________ Jim
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
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Stewartry

Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 274 Location: nr Nottingham
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Teddy,
I have been out of action for a while but Ken informed me of this thread. A little bit of info I have on file regards the enlistment of James Cowan at the very end of Dec 1914. Details as given on attestation:
17395, James Marchbank, sausage maker, Morton (served 2nd Bn)
17396, Archie Hutchison, grocer, Morton (served 1st & 2nd Bn)
17397, James Nicholson, ploughman, Closeburn (served 2nd Bn)
17398, James Cowan, pork butcher, Glasgow (served 1st Bn)
Should state for those interested, all four men were killed.
Stuart _________________ www.sonsofgalloway.org.uk
5th KOSB
Stewartry RoH
ATC Auchencairn book |
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Stewartry

Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 274 Location: nr Nottingham
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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Re Archibald Todd 23216, 7/8th KOSB
His number is within a group of enlistments mostly via the Derby Scheme; men voluntarily attesting for service in either late 1915 or early 1916, then being called up between Feb and June 1916. Archibald's number indicates that he was called up around mid-March 1916.
He served firstly with the 1st KOSB and latterly with the 7/8th Bn. He was killed during a daytime raid on the German lines in the Loos sector on 18 Sep 1918; 3 officers and 17 men killed (CWGC states 17 Sep for all, but Bn History states raid took place on 18th). I can email the relevant pages of the book for your contact who wishes information.
Best wishes,
Stuart _________________ www.sonsofgalloway.org.uk
5th KOSB
Stewartry RoH
ATC Auchencairn book |
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teddy
Joined: 25 Oct 2008 Posts: 214 Location: Penpont, Dumfriesshire
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:34 pm Post subject: Morton War Memorial Thornhill |
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Thanks to all for the various bits of information.
The Morton War Memorial, East Morton St, Thornhill, Dumfriesshire, is sited within the middle of town of Thornhill and it covers the Parish of Morton.
I am still looking for information for a Segt John Black, KOSB's does anyone know who he is please?
Thanks, Teddy. |
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David McNay Administrator

Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 11423 Location: Lanarkshire, Scotland
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:39 am Post subject: |
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Moving this to queries and requests.
Teddy, if you have a query regarding a memorial we have an existingthread for, can you please post your query in the thread for that memorial please?
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teddy
Joined: 25 Oct 2008 Posts: 214 Location: Penpont, Dumfriesshire
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Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:26 pm Post subject: Morton Wm |
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David, I did put request on Queries and Request page, under Morton Wm, Thornhill, Dumfriesshire to ask for help and to look on Morton site.
These two are for the same WM.
Teddy. |
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teddy
Joined: 25 Oct 2008 Posts: 214 Location: Penpont, Dumfriesshire
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Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:27 pm Post subject: Sgt John Black on Morton WM |
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Found that this man is Sergeant John Black, Service No 642 on 1/5th KOSB. He was Pre-war territorial, enlisted in 1910. Served at Gallipoli, landed 6/6/1915 with original contigent. Invalided home, sick - date not known. Discharged (xvi) no longer for military service in November 1915 - so obviously quite seriously ill to have been discharges so quickly.
Death on 19/1/1920 aged 20 years - cause of death as Phthtistis (TB).
This man not found on CWGC or NSWM.
He is commemorated on family grave in Troqueer, Dumfries - along with his brother William Black who also on Morton WM. Private William McKinnell Black Service No 16209 KOSB in 2nd Bn, killed 23/7/1916. Father Adam Black and Mother Mary McKinnell from 41 Rae Street, Dumfries. Both boys born in Morton. The grave and information can be viewed on scottishwargrave site - under Troqueer, Dumfries.
All information from Stewartry, with thanks.
Teddy.
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teddy
Joined: 25 Oct 2008 Posts: 214 Location: Penpont, Dumfriesshire
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Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:34 pm Post subject: James Robertson Morton WM |
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Also information received from Stewatry for this man, as follows
Private James Robertson Service No 20944 in 2nd Battalion The Royal Scots Fusiliers death on 30/7/1916, son of Mrs. Margaret Robertson of Carronbridge. On cwgc and are swnm; on sdgw down as born in Morton.
Main reason why not able to find before was on the WM down as in RS., and we couldnt find anyone; he is in RSF - so mistake on the WM.
Thanks once again to Stewartry for his help.
The Morton book compiled now and off to printers.
Teddy. |
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Kenneth Morrison
Joined: 29 Sep 2008 Posts: 7745 Location: Rockcliffe Dalbeattie
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Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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Stewartry wrote: | Hi Teddy,
I have been out of action for a while but Ken informed me of this thread. A little bit of info I have on file regards the enlistment of James Cowan at the very end of Dec 1914. Details as given on attestation:
17395, James Marchbank, sausage maker, Morton (served 2nd Bn)
17396, Archie Hutchison, grocer, Morton (served 1st & 2nd Bn)
17397, James Nicholson, ploughman, Closeburn (served 2nd Bn)
17398, James Cowan, pork butcher, Glasgow (served 1st Bn)
Should state for those interested, all four men were killed.
Stuart |
Just to update the last man named above
James Cowan enlisted as Private 17398 in December 1914.
In 1911 he was 16 and a pork butcher living with his family at 10 Back Street, Thornhill.
James 44 Freestone Quarryman b. Closeburn, Willie Mina 46 b. Morton [married 1891 in Glasgow] James 16 Pork Butcher b. Glasgow, Thomas 9 & Joseph 7 both b. Morton
Born 1895 at Glasgow Son of James and Willie Minnie (McClounie) Cowan of Troon, Ayrshire. (Source: CWGC and Army Registers of Soldiers effects)
Missing in Action on 14 July 1916 and named on the Thiepval Memorial, Somme, France.
At one stage I thought he was the James Cowan KOSB named on the Dalbeattie War Memorial but I don't see any connection. _________________ Ken |
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