The Scottish Military Research Group - Commemorations Project

apanderson · Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:48 pm Post subject: Hugh Kay conundrum

Listed in the United Collieries Roll of Honour (Ellismuir Pit, Baillieston) is:

Hugh Kay, Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders, 2nd Lieutenant, D.C.M.

Searching the DCM's (on Ancestry) I found a Sergeant, Hugh Kay, East Lancashire Regiment, No. 9774

The London Gazette, 22nd September 1916, Supplement 29760, Page 9295 confirms the above award, but no link to the Argylls.

I then found an MIC to another Hugh Kay.
This looks more like the man I am looking for as the details match more closely:
Hugh Kay, Sergeant, Argylls, No. 3519 and 201490/2nd Lieutenant, East Lancashire Regiment.
Commissioned 21st August 1918
Address: 5 Eastbank Gardens, Shettleston

But no mention on the MIC of a DCM?

The London Gazette, 11th October 1918, Supplement 3092, Page 12113 states:
"No. 201490 Serjt. Hugh Kay to be temp. 2nd Lt., for duty with Egyptian Lab. Corps, 16th July 1918."

I'm going round in circles trying to figure out if this is the same, or 2 different men.

Help!!!

Anne Confused

anne park · Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:11 pm Post subject: info from newspapers

What might be in the newpapers?
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Researching WWI info from Aberdeenshire, Banffshire, Kincardineshire & Morayshire.

apanderson · Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:26 pm Post subject:

The problem with the area I'm searching (Baillieston & district) is that it used to be part of Old Monkland Western District in Lanarkshire, then Strathclyde but has a Glasgow post-code, so trying to define what comes under what is a nightmare.

Old Monkland Western District covers a large area stretching from Tollcross in the west to 'nearly' Coatbridge in the east and all the wee villages in between.

Searching the newspapers would be a humungous task as something (if anything) could appear in either the Glasgow Evening Times, the Glasgow Herald or the Coatbridge and Airdrie Advertiser.

The area appears to be a sort of 'no man's land'!

Thanks for the suggestion though.

Anne

Kenneth Morrison · Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:43 am Post subject:

Anne - I checked the info on Sgt 9774 and at the National Archives there are two Medal Cards.
One for his DCM as H. KAY and one for his campaign medals as HAROLD KAY.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_fn=&_ln=kay&_no=9774&_crp=&_ttl=&_cr1=WO+372&_dt=M&_col=200&_hb=tna&image1.x=65&image1.y=13
The DCM Citation doesn't give his first name.

So at least he's not HUGH!
I'll keep digging.
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Ken

apanderson · Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:47 am Post subject:

Thanks for that Ken.

Maybe 'my' Hugh's citation has slipped through the net (which would seem highly unlikely) or alternatively, he didn't get it!

I've found quite a lot of discrepancies in the United Collieries Roll of Honour concerning the men who died. Their details are obviously much easier to verify and if all other sources apart from the Roll of Honour cross reference exactly, then there's not much of an option in thinking that the details on the Roll are incorrect.

Anne