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DelBoy



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anne, that's a good spot of the hill behind, it's definitely not in the same place as it was previously.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:11 pm    Post subject: Cumbernauld War Memorial Reply with quote

If you 'Google' Cumbernauld War Memorial - and go into Images - the second picture is very interesting - showing an old postcard of the Memorial in its original position with the metal fence around it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Elsie

That's a great spot, many thanks for letting us know. It also proves the names are a later addition.

Kind regards

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:56 pm    Post subject: Cumbernauld War Memorial Reply with quote

Apparently the name wall and the current location are relatively recent (IE within last 50 years). My mum remembers it being at the bottom of Main Street and facing towards it, across from the Spur Hotel, on what is now the Wilderness Brae A8011. It's certainly been in it's current location for at least 20 years (as I remember going to Boys Brigade services there on Rememberance Sundays) but I think it was relocated in the late 1960's or early 1970's.

My great-granduncle's name is on the memorial, Private Frank McGuire, 10th Batallion Highland Light Infantry, who was killed at the Battle of Loos on 25th September 1915, at the age of 19. His body was never recovered. His name is also on a plaque at the Loos memorial in North-Eastern France, at Edinburgh Castle, and at the Royal Highland Fusiliers Regimental Museum in Sauchiehall Street, Glasgow.

Here's his Pic and Obituary from the Evening Times:


And here is one of the pages from the War Memorial dedication which I found recently in my grandfather's house (I'll have a look for the other pages):
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some photos from a duplicate thread.







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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andrew CONNOLLY

Commonwealth War Graves Commission/Scottish National War Memorial:
Able Seaman
No: Clyde Z/4796
Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve, Nelson Bn., Royal Naval Division
Date of Death: 15th February 1917
Age: 20
Additional information: Son of Michael and Margaret Connolly, 64 Allandale Cottages, Bonnybridge

Commemorated:
Thiepval Memorial, Pier and Face 1A
Bonnybridge Civic Memorial
Cumbernauld Civic Memorial (Listed as Private, R.N.D.)

UK Royal Navy & Royal Marine War Graves Roll: Andrew Connelly, Able Seaman, No. Clyde Z/4796, Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve, Nelson Bn., Royal Naval Division. Killed or died as a direct result of enemy action 15th February 1917. Location of grave not recorded. Relatives notified: Mother, Main Street, Cumbernauld.

UK Naval Medal and Award Rolls: Andrew Connelly, Able Seaman, No. C.Z/4796, Widower of Univ. Leg.(?) I.C. 337/1917*

1911 Census, Living at Allandale Cottages, Allandale, Bonnybridge, Falkirk
Father Michael Connolly, age 49, Labourer, Brickmaking, born Ireland
Mother Margaret Connolly, age 49, born Ireland
Brothers James Connolly, Labourer, Brickmaking, born Ireland
John Connolly, age 20, Labourer, Brickmaking, born Ireland
Sisters Catherine Connoly, age 16, born Ireland
ANDREW CONNOLLY, age 13, Scholar, born Ireland

*I have no idea what the references are on the UK Naval Medal and Award Rolls - I can post a cropped section of the page if anyone cares to have a look.

Bonnybridge Civic Memorial, see: http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=87

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 1:56 pm    Post subject: Frank Beveridge Gordon Reply with quote

Frank Beveridge Gordon Sgt S/8124 8th/10th Gordon Highlanders b Carronshore,Stirling e Aldershot Age 22 Died of Wounds F&F 03/08/1917 Son of James and Margaret Gordon, of Cumbernauld, Dumbartonshire. Wimereux Communal Cemetery Fr 0064 Plot II Row P Grave 04
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 1:59 pm    Post subject: George Whyte Reply with quote

George Whyte Pte 5525 5th Gordon Highlanders b Cumbernauld e Falkirk Killed in Action F&F 13/11/1916 Soldiers Will 6 Pages. Thiepval Memorial M. R. 21 Pier 15B & 15C
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2018 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PTE. JOHN OLIPHANT, Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders.

Named on the Kirkmichael Parish War Memorial in Dumfriesshire as:

PTE. JOHN OLIPHANT, A.&S.H.
John Oliphant age 21 Private (40662) 1/8th (Argyllshire) Battalion, Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders.
John was an under-gamekeeper with Brigadier General Allan Burns of Cumbernauld in East Dunbartonshire when he enlisted as Private (3124) in the 1/9th (Dunbartonshire) A&SH in November 1914. He served with the 10th Battalion before he was transferred to the 1/8th A&SH. He was wounded in April 1917 and was killed five months later.
Born 1895 in Aberdalgie, Perthshire. Son of John Wilson Oliphant (forrester) and Grace (Forbes) Oliphant of Milngate, Kirkmichael and of Cairnpark, Thornhill, Dumfriesshire.
Missing in Action on 20 September 1917 and named on the Tyne Cot Memorial, Belgium.
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2018 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Kirkintilloch Gazette of 23/11/1917 has:

All the four gamekeepers the Cumbernauld estate went off to serve their King and country, and it sad to think that with the death of Pte John Oliphant, A. & S.H., three now lie buried in France, while the fourth has been discharged owing to wounds, having lost three lingers off his right hand. Pte Oliphant had previously been wounded and had spent a few months in hospital, but had returned to the Front. Three years ago he enlisted, being then underkeeper. He belonged to Amisfield, Dumfriesshire, and was about 22 years age. The others who have fallen are James Earsman and Scout M'Cabe.
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2018 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

David McNay wrote:
Adam Brown wrote:



V.R.A. D.C.B. and has me stumped for now but I will investigate further. V.R. might be Volunteer Reserve as in RAFVR


It is indeed Volunteer Reserve, but the rest of it is a mystery to me. Here's his CWGC entry:

Name: REID, JOHN
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Flight Lieutenant (Pilot)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 605 Sqdn.
Age: 23
Date of Death: 26/06/1944
Service No: 128102
Awards: D F M
Additional information: Son of John and Lexie Reid; husband of Lilian Joan Reid (nee Cope), of Hemel Hempstead.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. J. Uncons. Grave 30.
Cemetery: HEMEL HEMPSTEAD (HEATH LANE) CEMETERY

SNWM gives birthplace as Glasgow.



Fromhttp://www.historyofwar.org/air/units/RAF/605_wwII.html
1939-May 1940: Fighter Command
May 1940: Brief spell with AAF
May 1940-October 1941: Fighter Command
January 1942-March 1942: Far East Singapore, Sumatra and Java
January 1942-February 1942: Detachment at Malta
June 1942 onwards: Home based Intruder Squadron

Part of
September 1939: No.11 Group, Fighter Command
Before August 1940: AAF
By August 1940: No.13 Group, Fighter Command
6 June 1944: No.11 Group; Air Defence of Great Britain; Allied Expeditionary Air Force.

I'd never heard of that before either Confused

Found this at http://sussexhistoryforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=7266.0;wap2

On June 26th 1944, a De Haviland Mosquito from 605 Squadron serial number NS880, crashed onto the railway line just to the West of Margate railway station at 3:45pm.
The pilot Flight Lieutenant John Reid, 23, was buried in Hemel Hempstead (Heath Lane) Cemetery. He left behind a wife, Lillian Joan who he had married at St Mary's church, Hemel Hempstead in March of 1942.
The aircraft and crew involved in this crash had been on Ops over Europe the previous day. The mosquito had been shot up by flak. The aircraft crashed the next day on a test flight to see if the aircraft was OK.
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2018 4:41 pm    Post subject: WMR (ex UKNIWM) number Reply with quote

WMR 76241.

Amazingly this is the first memorial which WMR have registered in Cumbernauld.
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2018 6:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Cumbernauld War Memorial Reply with quote

agasmith wrote:
Apparently the name wall and the current location are relatively recent (IE within last 50 years). My mum remembers it being at the bottom of Main Street and facing towards it, across from the Spur Hotel, on what is now the Wilderness Brae A8011. It's certainly been in it's current location for at least 20 years (as I remember going to Boys Brigade services there on Rememberance Sundays) but I think it was relocated in the late 1960's or early 1970's.


I missed this discussion the first time round.
The memorial was indeed on the main A73 (facing the village Main Street - and it was a tiny village then Stuart so I'm nor surprised that this is the only memorial)
It was at the bottom of a very steep hill (the Wijderness Brae) and was regularly attacked by out-of-control lorries whose brakes couldn't handle the descent. Fortunately (for the memorial) it was "protected" by a telecommunications cabinet and the local telephone engineers (including me) risked their lives repairing the damage.
The road was eventually "dualled" and renumbered and I'd guess the memorial was relocated then.
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