The Scottish Military Research Group - Commemorations Project

dhubthaigh · Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:06 pm Post subject: TULLIBODY, WW1

dhubthaigh · Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:12 pm Post subject:

A Lych gate forms the entrance to a pathway leading to the memorial which is situated within the park.
There is some carved imagery on the gate i.e. thistles, small pelican in piety etc., however it could do with some renovation.
The area around the monument should really be cleaned up and landscaped. It is obviously the meeting place of the young locals and there was some graffiti on the memorial and rubbish lying around.

Some interesting information regarding the memorial:

In the War Memorial at Tullibody - In 1920, a large boulder, known as 'Samson's Button' or the 'Haer Stane', was used as a base, into which was plugged a replica of 'The Stanin' Stane o' Kenneth McAlpin'. The cross is of granite and stands 10ft 6 inches in height. - The 'Haer Stane' is listed by the Royal Commission of Ancient and Historic Monuments of Scotland as one of Scotland's Ancient Monuments. It is said to be lying exactly where it was dropped by a glacier over 10,000 years ago. It was chosen as the War memorial - in memory of the 27 local men who fell in the Great War (1914-1918) - because it lay half way between the two villages from which they came - (Cambus and Tullibody). It is said that the Haer Stane used to be surrounded by a ring of about 60 rough, methodically arranged, upright stones each about two or three feet high. Such a stone circle would date from before 800 AD.

dhubthaigh · Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:16 pm Post subject:

Also there was no names on the memorial - well there was a plaque but the following web site tells more. Also two memorial boards of all those from the area who served were inside the Lych Gate but, for obvious reasons, they have been removed to the church hall (more work!)

http://www.angelfire.com/sc3/tullibody/front/WarDead.htm

dhubthaigh · Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:09 pm Post subject:

From RCAHMS
http://www.rcahms.gov.uk/pls/portal/newcanmore.newcandig_details_gis?inumlink=47212 (Link will only work if you have registered with Canmore)

Tullibody, Haer Stane
Alternative Names: Baingle Brae Villa; Haer Stone; Cross
Type of Site: Cross, Socketed Stone, Stone Circle, War Memorial
NMRS Number: NS89SE 5
Map reference: NS 8565 9475
Parish: Alloa
Council: Clackmannan
Former District: Clackmannan
Former Region: Central

From UKNIWM
UKNIWM Ref no. 44720
http://www.ukniwm.org.uk/server/show/conMemorial.44720/fromUkniwmSearch/1

PARK
TULLIBODY
CENTRAL
SCOTLAND

Type: CROSS
Other Location Details: JUNCTION OF LYCH GATE AND SCHOOL RD

OS Map Ref: NS 860 950

Inscription
(ILLEGIBLE FROM PHOTO)

Components
Component Material(s)
CROSS STONE

Physical Description
RECTANGULAR PILLAR RISING FROM AN IRREGULAR BOULDER IN THE CENTRE OF A SMALL POND. RASIED CROSS OCCUPIED FRONT FACE OF PILLAR

dhubthaigh · Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:33 pm Post subject:

Very different look to the memorial in this postcard photo on ebay. Also looks like there has been a plaque on original;

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/POSTCARDS-SCOTLAND-TULLIBODY-RP-War-Memorial-/190592344427?pt=UK_Collectables_Postcards_MJ&hash=item2c6030616b#ht_500wt_969

Adam Brown · Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:58 pm Post subject:

What a difference! Did the plaque have the names perhaps?

Adam

DelBoy · Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:14 am Post subject:

Much nicer then I think.

Derek.

dhubthaigh · Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:13 pm Post subject:

Derek,

Thanks for getting the pic on, and yes it looks great back in the day.

Adam,

I do think that is the plaque with names on.

I note that the UKNIWM even refers to it rising from a small pond. Filled in due to safety concerns possibly.

DelBoy · Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:14 am Post subject: Memorial Transcription

Cpl. Alex. Charles Adams, 10th A.&.S.H.
Gnr. Patrick D. Alexander, R.G.A.
Pte. John Anderson, 14th A.&.S.H.
Pte. David Bain, 1st Canadian Div.
Pte. David Croy, 1st/9th Middlesex
Sgt. Andrew Chalmers, M.M., 7th A.&.S.H.
L.Cpl. James Chalmers, 2nd A.&.S.H..
Gdsmn. Wm. W. Ewing, S.G.
Pte. Alex F. Farquharson, 11th A.&.S.H.
Pte. John Glancey, 7th C.H.
Pte. Alex M. Goodall, 2nd A.&.S.H.
Pte. James Hogg, 7th A.&.S.H.
Pte. David Irvine, 7th A.&.S.H.
Pte. Robt. Johnstone, 10th A.&.S.H.
Pte. John Lawson, 11th A.&.S.H.
Sgt. James Little, R.G.A.
Pte. James McFarlane, 2nd Royal Scots
L.Cpl. Henry Mitchell, 15th Royal Scots
Pte. Thomas Mitchell, 3rd S.H.
Sgt. John Murray, 3rd A.&.S.H.
Pte. Robert Murray, 10th A.&.S.H.
Pte. John Scott Robertson, 11th A.&.S.H.
Pte. Thomas Robertson, 12th A.&.S.H.
Sgt. Thomas Starkey, M.G.C.
Capt. R Ramsey Tullis, 7th A.&.S.H.
2nd Lt. John Walker, 7th A.&.S.H.
Dvr. James Wilson, R.F.A.

dalblair · Joined: 26 Aug 2010 Posts: 564 Location: coupar angus

Unveiled by General Sir FJ Davies,KCB,KCMG,KCVO on 2nd October 1921.

Delboy`s list above has a wee mistake:it should be
Private Robert Johnstone 10th A&SH-not Robertson.

DelBoy · Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:31 pm Post subject:

cheers for that!

fixing it now.

Derek.

dhubthaigh · Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:23 am Post subject:

Pics courtesy of Hugh Macrae;

Kenneth Morrison · Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:08 am Post subject:

I was a bit curious about the "Middlesex" man amid all the "Argylls" and turned up a bit of a puzzle Confused

CWGC has:
CROY, D.
Rank:Private Service No:57021
Date of Death:23/07/1919
Regiment/Service:Middlesex Regiment 1st/9th Bn.
Memorial:DELHI MEMORIAL (INDIA GATE)

SNWM has:
CROY, David.
Rank Pte. G/57021
Place of birth
Date of death 23 September 1917
Theatre of death Mesopotamia Cause of death Killed in action
Unit name THE DUKE OF CAMBRIDGE'S OWN MIDDLESEX REGIMENT.
Other detail 1/9th Bn. (T.F.). formerly 08224 R.A.S.C.

Medal Card at TNA:
Medal card of Croy, David.
The Queen's Regiment 59645
Middlesex Regiment G/57021 Private

So when and where did he die and who did he serve with?????

p.s. enlisted Stirling resident Bannockburn
_________________
Ken

Adam Brown · Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:17 am Post subject:

This is interesting. Here's what the Long-Long Trail says about 1/9th Middlesex's war:

1/9th Battalion
August 1914 : in Willesden Green. Part of Middlesex Brigade in Home Counties Division. Moved on mobilisation to Sheerness and then to Sittingbourne.

30 October 1914 : sailed from Southampton for India, arriving Bombay on 2 December 1914. The Bn eventually moved to Mesopotamia, arriving Basra on 24 November 1917, and joined the 53rd Brigade of the 18th Indian Division. It remained in that theatre until the end of the war.

So unless he was in an advance party Croy couldn't have been with the battalion in Mespot before November 1917.

What scans does the CWGC have online from IWGC?

Adam

Adam Brown · Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:36 am Post subject:

It looks like the G prefix means a New Army man even though he was in a Territorial Force battalion:

http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=37357

"G - Home Counties Regiments New Army men and later"

That doesn't really help but worth mentioning since there doesn't seem to be much to go on about Croy's service.

I would always err with CWGC over SNWM so I'd go with him dying in India in 1919. I would suggest that since the battalion went from India to Mesopotamia to serve in an Indian division then it may have returned to India before being disbanded - around the summer of 1919 as with other TF units. Unfortunately the LLT doesn't clarify what happened to the battalion after the Armistice and I can't find any other sources.

Adam