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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Pte. William McQueen Reply with quote

"Mrs Stewart, 13 Broad Street, Stirling, yesterday received official intimation that her son, Private William McQueen, 7th Battalion Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders (Stirlingshire and Clachmannanshire Territorials) died in a field hospital in France on February 20. Private McQueen, who was 22 years of age, was previously employed as a mechanic with the Post Office Telephone Department, and he had been a member of Territorial Force for six years. No mention is made in the intimation of the cause of death, but it does not appear that Private McQueen had been wounded"

The "Mrs Stewart" referred to above, was the wife of John Stewart (born Forfar and on the memorial there) who was killed at the Battle of Loos. John was her second husband.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:40 pm    Post subject: Pte. Steuart/Stewart Buchanan Reply with quote

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Buchanan, Steuart

(The Scotsman 30th September 1916)
"Sapper Stuart Buchanan, of the Royal Engineers, aged 29, belonging to Sturdy Hill, near Edzell, died at the Fort Pitt Army Hospital, Chatham, on Thursday night, from injuries sustained while engaged in bomb throwing practice. He had fnished his work and was watching the practice of his comrades, when a bomb that had fallen near him exploded, and he was severely wounded. He died a few hours after being admitted to hospital."

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BUCHANAN, S
Rank: Sapper
Service No: 165025
Date of Death: 27/09/1916
Regiment/Service: Royal Engineers "D" Coy. 1st Reserve Bn.
Grave Reference: E. 56.
Cemetery: STIRLING (BALLENGEICH) CEMETERY

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Surname: BUCHANAN
Forename: Stewart
Rank: Spr
Service number: 165025
Place of birth: Stirling
Date of death: 27 September 1916
Theatre of death: Home
Cause of death: Died
SNWM roll: THE ROYAL ENGINEERS
Other detail: "D" Coy., 1st Res. Bn.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Lindsay"]STIRLINGSHIRE SOLDIERS KILLED.
Private John M'Kinnon, Highland Light Infantry, who had been at the front for over a year, is officially reported killed on 8th March. He was formerly a carter with Wordie & Company, Alloa. His nephew, Private Colin Ray, Cameron Highlanders, whose parents reside in Park Lane, Stirling, and who was reported missing several months ago, is now officially stated to have met his death whilst charging the enemy trenches. He was 23 years of age, and a miner to trade. Two of his brothers are at the front.
Private James Heally, Black Watch, whose mother resides at St Mary's Wynd, Stirling, is reported to have been killed on 8th September last, when he was posted missing. He was a pit worker, unmarried, and 23 years of age. Two of his brothers are with colours.
Dundee Courier 13 April 1916

Note can only see James Heally on this memorial[/quote]

Mis-print - Colin ROY is on the Roll of Honour. Sandra
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Lindsay"]STIRLING SOLDIERS WHO HAVE FALLEN.
Corporal Thomas Penman, Royal Scots, whose wife resides at 11 Glengowan Buildings, Stirling, was killed on 13th May. He was at one time a miner in Fallin Colliery.
Private Thomas M. Mitchell, K.O.S.B., son of Mr and Mrs Mitchell, St Ninians, is officially reported to have died in hospital on 20th May.
Private Jack Derrick, Australian Expeditionary Force, who has been missing since 8th August last, is now reported to have been killed on that date. Private Derrick left Stirling for Australia about nine years ago.
Private David Young, A. and S.H., son of Mr and Mrs Young, Linden Avenue, died 9th May as the result of wounds received two days previously. He was formerly a porter at Stirling Railway Station.
Dundee Courier 26 May 1916

Note Only Jack Derrick is on this memorial[/quote]

All the above men are on the Stirling Roll of Honour. See
https://archive.org/stream/royalburghofstir1922stir#page/n3/mode/2up
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:16 pm    Post subject: Private George McGregor Campbell Reply with quote

Stirling Observer 23 May 1916
In Memoriam: Campbell - Pte George McGregor Campbell, 8th A&SH killed in France on 23 May 1915; age 23 years. Inserted by his sister Nettie Campbell, Nasmyth Villa, Stirling.

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CAMPBELL, GEORGE
Rank: Private
Service No: 2164
Date of Death: 23/05/1915
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders 1st/8th Bn.
Grave Reference: I. A. 22.
Cemetery: RUE-DES-BERCEAUX MILITARY CEMETERY, RICHEBOURG-L'AVOUE
Additional Information:
SNWM
Surname CAMPBELL
Forename George
Rank Pte
Service number 2164
Decoration
Place of birth
Date of death 23 May 1915
Theatre of death F&F
Cause of death Killed in action
SNWM roll THE ARGYLL AND SUTHERLAND HIGHLANDERS
Other detail 1/8th Bn

I was intrigued to see that both of these sources had 2 men named George Campbell in the 8th Argylls (this one - 2164 - and 1892) Both landed in France on 1 May 1915; both were killed on 23 May 1915; they are buried in the same cemetery, in the same plot. Neither had a middle name, nor did they have family information, their age or a birth place recorded. Thanks to Ancestry's free weekend I found them on SDGW; both enlisted in Dunoon but 1892 lived in Campbelltown and 2164 in Drymen, Stirlingshire. By an amazing stroke of good fortune, both sets of service papers have survived and finally I was able to say with certainty that George Campbell 2164 is the one on the Stirling Roll of Honour. The next of kin form had been completed by his sister Janet Aitken, Nasmyth Villa, Stirling.
The Stirling one was 5ft 10.5ins tall while the Campbelltown one was 5ft 2.5ins so I guess they were known as Big George and Wee George to differentiate between them!

Incidentally the "other" George's papers include a rather pathetic letter from his mother asking for his medals because all the other local Argylls' families had received theirs; I wonder if the medal department was also confused!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Private George McGregor Campbell Reply with quote

columba wrote:
Stirling Observer 23 May 1916
In Memoriam: Campbell - Pte George McGregor Campbell, 8th A&SH killed in France on 23 May 1915; age 23 years. Inserted by his sister Nettie Campbell, Nasmyth Villa, Stirling.

CWGC
CAMPBELL, GEORGE
Rank: Private
Service No: 2164
Date of Death: 23/05/1915
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders 1st/8th Bn.
Grave Reference: I. A. 22.
Cemetery: RUE-DES-BERCEAUX MILITARY CEMETERY, RICHEBOURG-L'AVOUE
Additional Information:
SNWM
Surname CAMPBELL
Forename George
Rank Pte
Service number 2164
Decoration
Place of birth
Date of death 23 May 1915
Theatre of death F&F
Cause of death Killed in action
SNWM roll THE ARGYLL AND SUTHERLAND HIGHLANDERS
Other detail 1/8th Bn

I was intrigued to see that both of these sources had 2 men named George Campbell in the 8th Argylls (this one - 2164 - and 1892) Both landed in France on 1 May 1915; both were killed on 23 May 1915; they are buried in the same cemetery, in the same plot. Neither had a middle name, nor did they have family information, their age or a birth place recorded. Thanks to Ancestry's free weekend I found them on SDGW; both enlisted in Dunoon but 1892 lived in Campbelltown and 2164 in Drymen, Stirlingshire. By an amazing stroke of good fortune, both sets of service papers have survived and finally I was able to say with certainty that George Campbell 2164 is the one on the Stirling Roll of Honour. The next of kin form had been completed by his sister Janet Aitken, Nasmyth Villa, Stirling.
The Stirling one was 5ft 10.5ins tall while the Campbelltown one was 5ft 2.5ins so I guess they were known as Big George and Wee George to differentiate between them!

Incidentally the "other" George's papers include a rather pathetic letter from his mother asking for his medals because all the other local Argylls' families had received theirs; I wonder if the medal department was also confused!


Good detective work, also what good fortune! I rarely find the men i'm after have anything surviving of their service papers.

Some mens families would not have received medals due to infractions of Army regulations while in service. I've seen this on a medal roll, only for them to be later issued after this law was changed after the war to allow these men, or their families, their medals.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many thanks, DelBoy, for taking the time to respond to my post. Finding that the service papers still existed was a high point of my weekend!

Thank you too for the information about medals. There is nothing on the medal roll to say Wee George had forfeited his medals but I don't think that is definite proof he didn't! Another frustration is the fact medal roll cards so often have nothing but name, rank, regiment and number. Ah well, half the fun is the detective work!

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back in 2008, the man detailed below caused a bit of a mystery as he appeared on umpteen memorials but we didn't know the connection.

"The following man is also commemorated on a Church Memorial which is now housed in St. Andrew's Parish Church in Baillieston.

http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=1659

It is unknown what the connection is with Baillieston.

Name: BAKER, JOHN KILGOUR
Initials: J K
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Captain
Regiment/Service: Cameronians (Scottish Rifles)
Unit Text: 1st Bn.
Age: 36
Date of Death: 09/10/1918
Additional information: Son of Margaret Robertson Baker, of Stirling, and the late Leonard Baker; husband of Audrey Carrington Baker, of 14, Stracey Rd., Norwich.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: II. E. 21.
Cemetery: MONTAY-NEUVILLY ROAD CEMETERY, MONTAY"

Just by chance, I came across a Death Notice in the Glasgow Herald for what appears to be for his first wife Jane Gillespie and as she died at 'Calder View', Baillieston, I think this is the link we needed. His parents are buried in Holy Rude Kirkyard in Stirling, but there is no mention of John on the family stone there.

DC Reads: Jane Baker nee Gillespie, age 28, wife of John Kilgour Baker, Art Master, died 7th September 1912 at Calder View, Muirhead Road, Baillieston

The newspaper notice (below) shows that John was Art Master at Coatbridge, so this explains why he appears on some Coatbridge Memorials.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done Anne. Don't you just love it when a "by chance" find solves a mystery!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup!! Grinning from ear to ear now!

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can add even more! His medal card shows as next of kin:
GG Baker Esq (son 2 yrs age) c/o G Gillespie (Guardian) 75 St Vincent Street, Glasgow)
Not many medal cards show NOK so that's a find. Presumably the information (2 yrs of age) was from when JK enlisted.
PS I didn't just look up the medal card; I'm (slowly!) working my way through the Stirling RoH.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that info is on one of the 'umpteen' threads about JK Baker.

I went looking earlier and he's listed on at least 4 memorials: Stirling Civic, Baillieston St. Andrew's Church, Coatbridge High School and Coatbridge Technical College.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John K Baker married Audrey C [Carrington] Beck in Norwich in the September Quarter of 1918 - so married for a month at most Crying or Very sad
and his son George Gillespie Baker was born in Stirling in 1910.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 12:42 pm    Post subject: Stirling Memorial - James Clark Reply with quote

CWGC Information

Name: CLARK
First name: James
Rank: Driver
Regiment: Royal Field Artillery
Unit: 147th Bde. Ammunition Col.
Age: 22
Date of Death: 16/04/1915
Service no: 80821
Additional information: Son of James and Annie Clark, of 42, Upper Bridge St., Stirling
Cemetry/Memorial reference: Panel 21 and 22
Cemetery: HELLES MEMORIAL

Stirling Saturday Observor May 1, 1915



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Delboy posted a lot of detail on the attack on the "Manitou" at
http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=6072
including: "The rest of the division followed, the only unit to suffer loss being the 147th Brigade R.F.A. as the result of a sensational incident. The brigade embarked on the 15th on the Manitou, a vessel of some 7,000 tons. The guns were stowed in the hold, and the small ammunition was in the magazine. So great was the confidence that the seas had been swept of hostile craft other than submarines, which had not yet appeared in the Mediterranean, that no preparations had been made to meet an attack. The astonishment of all can be well imagined when, on the morning of the 17th, ten miles off Skyros, a Turkish torpedo-boat signalled the Manitou to stop. An officer, apparently a German, gave those on board three minutes (afterwards extended to eight) in which to leave the ship. Somewhat inconsistently, he thereupon fired a torpedo, before the expiry of three minutes, which missed. Meanwhile boats were being lowered, and men were going over the side in large numbers. In one case the davits were strained to breaking point, and with a crash the occupants of the boat were hurled into the sea. To add to the excitement, the enemy loosed off a second torpedo, which also missed, whereupon, possibly to make sure of his range, the torpedo-boat retired for at least half a mile, only to wheel about and return to the Manitou. From short range the third and last torpedo was fired. It struck but did not explode, or else did not strike, and the destroyer made off with all speed for Asia; and it was afterwards ascertained that she had run ashore on Chios, and blown up after an unsuccessful attempt to escape the pursuit of British destroyers. This tragic-comic incident was witnessed by Major (now Lieutenant Colonel) A. F. Thompson R.F.A. What might have been the destruction of an entire brigade of artillery resulted in a regrettable but comparatively small number of casualties by drowning and bruises."
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