The Scottish Military Research Group - Commemorations Project

simmo · Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:22 am Post subject: The McIntosh's

Hi Anne

Here is what I have found so far.

Peter McIntosh (father) was married to Thomasina Finlay on 1/10/1875 and on the 1881 census has Agnes 4 and Hyrum 3 months and living at 67 Canongate. Hyrum Smith McIntosh was born on 5/1/1881 at 67 Callenders Enbuy? at Canongate with same parents noted and Peter has job as Typefounder (also says caster on census).
I then have marriage of Peter McIntosh to Catherine McManus with him being noted as a widower and she being noted as widow of John Brady (Typecaster) at 16 Freer St Edinburgh with his address as 22 St John St and hers as 24 Reids Close Canongate. Married on 6/2/1888
I then have Peter McIntosh born 3/6/1891 at 6 Chessels Court Canongate
with parents names , job and marriage the same and James McIver McIntosh born on 17/7/1893 at 1 Reids Close Canongate to same parents & job but has marriage as 6/11/1887????
Next I have Catherine McIntosh death as 12/6/1900 at 179 Canongate with note as married to John Brady then Peter McIntosh (both Typefounders) and Peter being present
Lastly I have Peter McIntosh (father) died on 24/8/1905 at an Infirmary in Edinburgh - usual address 179 Canongate with Thomasina and Catherine mentioned as wives and a H McIntosh son present and address as 13 James St Pilrig! But his parents are listed as James McIntosh Shoemaker deceased and Margaret Morrison deceased yet on his marriage to Catherine they are listed as Peter McIntosh Shoemaker deceased and Janet McIntosh ms McIntosh deceased, so I dont know which is right. It has to be the same person, although McIntosh seems to be a popular name. But there is no way 2 couples with the same names would be married. Not the first time I have found discrepancies in the census or BMD records!
I cant find anyone listed in the 1891 census- I have tried most of their names so that is weird.
That is about all I have for now

thanks
Robert Exclamation

simmo · Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:05 am Post subject: McIntoshes

Hi all

Forgot to add E. B. McIntosh of 9 Prospect St as noted on one of the forms is my Grandmother (Elizabeth Burnett). This was her address when married to Peter and their only son was named Peter as well, hense reference to nephew on the form as well. She married my Grandfather in 1917 and after the war I have references to them living in Coatbridge (where my Dad was born) and my Grandfathers address on their wedding form is listed as Coatbridge(but presently with BEF France) so I presume that when the army was handing out the medals they could not contact her and so the medals went to Hyrum instead. I dont know what happened to Peter's as they only note her getting his personal effects.
With the other people listed as half bood I only have Agnes from the 1881 census so she is probably Mrs Behren 42 111 Broughton Rd. I cant find the McIntosh's in the 1891 which is strange, them being on the 1901! I presume others are family born between these census and before Thomasina died, with possibility of twins? More research needed!
Dont know where all the medals went, but would like to find out.

thanks

Robert

simmo · Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:30 am Post subject:

Hi

I have done a bit of research on the McIntosh family and have worked most of it out and it all fits.
Out of interest I have found that Peter's Grandfather (Peter McIntosh also ) is listed on the 1861 census as an Artillery Chelsea Pensioner (also 1871).
Does anyone have any idea how to find some information out about him?
He was born about 1802 in Glasgow but lived in Edinburgh from 1861 (that is the earliest census I can find him in)

I tried the National Archives but nothing matches to him although I am not sure I am doing the right thing. It is not the easiest place to do searches!

thanks

Robert
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Mangonel · Joined: 25 Nov 2009 Posts: 3

Artillery Wood CWGC, Boezinge (Boesinghe).

Also named on the Forth Garrison Artillery memorial here:

http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=1097

DerekR · Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 7:05 pm Post subject:

Name: REID, GEORGE GORDON
Initials: G G
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Royal Scots
Unit Text: 19th Bn.
Age: 23
Date of Death: 29/08/1917
Service No: 41580
Additional information: Son of Mr. and Mrs. James Reid, of 6, St. John St., Edinburgh.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: III. C. 9.
Cemetery: ROISEL COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION
_________________

Time but th' impression stronger makes, As streams their channels deeper wear.

ADP · Joined: 13 Jun 2008 Posts: 467 Location: Edinburgh

From The Scotsman, Monday 13th December 1920

WAR MEMORIALS

LOYALTY OF THE CANONGATE

MEMORIAL TO THE FALLEN

A memorial to the men of the old Burgh of Canongate who fell in the war was unveiled yesterday by Lieut.-General Sir Francis Davies, Commander-in-Chief, Scottish Command. The memorial, which consists of a bronze tablet, bears 218 names, and has been erected on the wall of the Canongate Toolbooth. There was present at the ceremony a large gathering of the public, the windows of the adjoining houses also filled with spectators. Music was rendered by a band of the Comrades of the Great War, after which the "Last Post" was sounded on the bugle.

In unveiling the memorial, Lieut.-General Sir Francis Davies said that the people of the Canongate might well be proud of their record in the war. He told that in one stair alone 18 men responded to the first call, and on the memorial tablet he could see recorded the names of two families who had given three sons. The response of the Canongate had been wonderful. He was not surprised at that, because he had been in Edinburgh long enough to know that the King had no more loyal subjects and the Empire no more worthy sons than those who lived in the Old Town. Of those who had been killed, many were in unknown graves, and one of them might be the man whose body now lay in Westminster Abbey. The bones of these men were scattered far and wide, but their memories were enshrined in the hearts of their countrymen. He hoped that as people passed the monument that they would cast an eye on it and teach their children to look on it with the deepest respect.

The custody of the memorial was accepted for the city by Lord Provost Chesser, who said that they were proud of all of the men of the city who had given their services during the war, and as proud of the Canongate as they were of any other part. The men of the Canongate had shown their bravery, and those who remained revered their memory.

Sir John Lorne MacLeod, in moving a vote of thanks to Lieut.-General Sir Francis Davies, said that he had heard from the lips of the King and the Prince of Wales their appreciation of the loyalty, devotion, patriotism, and sacrifices of the people of the old Royal Mile.

The proceedings terminated with the singing of the National Anthem.

An article in The Scotsman of Monday 12th December 1921 reported that a further 25 names had been added to the memorial, bringing the total to 245*, including three members of one family who had made the supreme sacrifice.

* (their arithmetic, not mine).

ADP

spoons · Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:03 am Post subject:

Some observations on this memorial.

Below the panels is a row of studs, seemingly of the same material and a similar age to the panels. I assume that these are for fixing wreaths. You could hardly lay them below the memorial as it is a main thoroughfare.

I notice that the last row of each of the 2 name panels has names out of sequence so names may well have been added on more than one occasion. This may account for why the Scotsman articles have an original total which differs from the number of names now on the main panel and why they quote 25 names on the second panel whereas there are now 28.

It would be nice to know which names were added and when but I suppose this is now lost to history unless by chance it was commented on in newspaper articles.

\Paul

spoons · Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:11 pm Post subject:

I was told by someone at New Abbey church today that one of their relatives (Thomas Mason) had been listed on the Canongate memorial but had actually survived. They believed that his name had been removed but I can see that it is still there. Sorry I did not get the name of my informant.

\Paul

DelBoy · Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:05 am Post subject: Pte. Peter Burns D.C.M.

Burns, Peter

(Glasgow Herald 2nd April 1915)
"7629 Private Burns, P. 2nd Battalion Scots Guards - For gallantry under fire at Kruiseik, and also for good service in repairing telephone wire several times under very heavy fire."

CWGC
BURNS, PETER
Rank: Private
Service No: 7629
Date of Death: 01/11/1914
Age: 23
Regiment/Service: Scots Guards 2nd Bn.
Awards: D C M (Distinguished Conduct Medal)
Panel Reference: Panel 11.
Memorial: YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL
Additional Information: Son of Mr. and Mrs. Francis C. Burns, of 42, Canongate, Edinburgh.

john burnett · Joined: 29 Jan 2007 Posts: 790 Location: Fife

The William McCallam KOSB on war memorial, who has been transcribed as McAllam should be William McCallum.

His name is recorded correctly on the memorial within Canongate Kirk.