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Richard Duncan died 11-4-1917 *Solved* Listed under Buchan

 
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:24 am    Post subject: Richard Duncan died 11-4-1917 *Solved* Listed under Buchan Reply with quote

I was looking for info in St Fitticks MI (Monumental Inscriptions) Booklet at Aberdeen Family History Centre and found
Richard Duncan age 34 interred Etaples.
Son of John Duncan, Marine Fireman died 7 Mar 1914 age 74.
Margaret Caie 28 July 1926 age 87.
Can anyone out there find him I could not....
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are 5 Duncans buried at Etaples but none fit.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:47 am    Post subject: Etaples info Reply with quote

I did look and even tried the Canadian site to check if he died and was not buried in Etaples.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something not right with this. No sign of Richard Duncan's birth or death, parents marriage or fathers death.

What evidence is there that this man was in military service? The fact he is said to be " interred at Etaples " might not mean he is in the Military Cemetery there. He could have been at Etaples for various resons but would not qualify as war dead if he died and was buried there.
It the ages are correct, it makes his mother 44 when he was born.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Margaret Caie might not be his mother though, she may have been a second wife for his father.

With it being such a large British base with so many hospitals there will have been many civilians in the town as Jim suggests he may not have been eligbel for commemoration.

If he's not listed on a local memorial that might add weight to this theory.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

His mother was born in around 1839 so would have been perhaps 44 when he was born in around 1883. Still rather old to be a mother though.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OOps. Sorry, I must learn to count - She was 44, not 53.

He is not listed on the Aberdeen City Roll.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 9:02 am    Post subject: Missing from City Roll of Honour Reply with quote

I did know he was not listed on the city roll of honour....

The Roll of Honour was made from the announcements in the People's Journal so if his death announcement was not in there it didn't make the book.

As John Duncan had died in 1914 maybe the family could ill afford "a bit in the paper"
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:01 pm    Post subject: Richard F Buchan.....problem solved Reply with quote

John Buchan
Age: 62
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Margaret Buchan
Gender: Male
Where born: Banchory, Kincardineshire
Registration Number: 266/2
Registration district: Nigg Burgh
Civil Parish: Aberdeen
County: Kincardineshire
Address: 114 Abbey Road
Occupation: Fireman Steam Ship
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 136
Line: 24
Roll: CSSCT1901_84
Household Members: Name Age
John Buchan 62
Margaret Buchan 54
Margaret Buchan 28
Eliza C Buchan 25
Richard F Buchan 18
Elsie C Garden 23

Richard was an app moulder
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:09 pm    Post subject: Info from CWGC Reply with quote

Name: BUCHAN, RICHARD
Initials: R
Nationality: South African
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: South African Infantry
Unit Text: 4th Reg.
Age: 35
Date of Death: 11/04/1917
Service No: 3340
Additional information: Youngest son of John and Margaret Buchan, of Torry, Aberdeen, Scotland.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: XXII. F. 12.
Cemetery: ETAPLES MILITARY CEMETERY
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does this mean the surname Duncan in the original post / MI booklet was wrong?

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The Roll of Honour was made from the announcements in the People's Journal so if his death announcement was not in there it didn't make the book.


I am surprised to learn that The Aberdeen Free Press or The Aberdeen Journal were not consulted by the City's War Memorial Committee. It was usual for these bodies to ask for names be forwarded to them for consideration under the criteria used, rather than simply use names from death intimations in a single paper. Casualty Lists were another source
The fact that he was serving with the SA's might have a bearing on it.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 11:28 am    Post subject: Reading of the gravestone Reply with quote

I contacted Gavin Bell who compiled the MI and he is going to St Fitticks to re-read the stone. Sometimes they are really hard to make out.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 1:32 pm    Post subject: St Fitticks MI Reply with quote

Gavin has visited the grave and the stone has many letters missing.
It is the metal lettering with in some cases just spaces so you can see why there was a mix up. I'm glad to help get the right info.
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