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2nd Lt ALEXANDER DALE MUIR , 6 Bn Black Watch

 
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 6:15 pm    Post subject: 2nd Lt ALEXANDER DALE MUIR , 6 Bn Black Watch Reply with quote

Received this week a communication from Iain Anderson , Regional Supervisor Scotland CWGC who states that the CWGC headstone is to be erected at the grave of 2nd Lieutenant ALEXANDER DALE MUIR, 6th Bn Black Watch who died on 12 April 1917 aged 30 years the son of George & Margaret Love Muir .
Lieut Muir is buried in Perth : Wellshill Cemetery : grave Parochial 2 , Section E Lair 11 :

Iain Anderson informs me that shortly in the month the CWGC headstone will be erected at the Officer's grave in the Wellshill Cemetery Perth .

He informs me that there are two other casualties interred in Wellshill Cemetery Perth :

Pte James Alexander , 4/9/1916 parochial 2 , Lair 219

Pte Alexander John Campbell , parochial lair 435

He also states that he has found other casualties in Perth that are not identified and they are

Casualty Gillespie , Scottish Horse

Casualty Low, Labour Corps

I will keep you posted but I am sure that the original hard work was done by Mark Duffy and others from this site I am sure !



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 10:20 am    Post subject: 2nd Lt ALEXANDER DALE MUIR , 6 Bn Black Watch Reply with quote

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Cases for Muir, Campbell, Alexander and Low were submitted ( following Mark's initial discovery) by me and all were accepted in recent months by MOD. Muir was notified to me on Armistice Day 2009.

Not sure how it comes about the he has " found " Low and Gillespie as " unidentified ", as both were submitted by me with Low recently accepted and is on the CWGC records now. Gillespie's case was submitted in August 2009 and has not year been accepted by MOD / CWGC.

I discovered all of them were buried at Perth Jeanfied Cemetery ( Wellshill) and provided precise lair / burial details to CWGC. Details for these men are in the non comms section of this Forum. The CWGC Supervisor will have have had to check the condition of lairs / headstones at Perth after MOD acceptance, and before CWGC announce the addittion to their records to see how they would proceed with the commemoration of these men.

An aerial view of this and most other cemetries with CWGC graves can be found from http://infromthecold.org/war_grave_cemeteries.asp

Any non comm casualty not commemorated by CWGC has to be forwarded as a case to MOD and approved by them before any form of commemoration would progress. Only after that process is complete would the CWGC Regional Supervisor become involved.
I am aware that CWGC received 60 approved cases back from MOD last week, so Gillespie may well be one of these.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 3:26 pm    Post subject: 2nd Lt Muir ( Perth ) Reply with quote

Thanks Jim and I knew that Mark and yourself were greatly involved in the Lt A D Muir case and many others so thought I should add the email info from Iain Anderson of the CWGC Scotland as it seems the headstone is being erected in the next weeks which is great.

My thanks to Mark and yourself and many others from this site who did the hard work of proving the facts to the CWGC / MOD for the case to be proved as a casualty of war of the Great War period .

kind regards

Pat

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:13 pm    Post subject: 2nd Lt ALEXANDER DALE MUIR , 6 Bn Black Watch Reply with quote

Pat

Thanks for the kind comments.
I tend not to promote those cases I am personally involved with here, so those listed have generally been identified as possible cases by others.

Where my enquiries has shown a valid case possible I have obtained other necessary supporting info, etc, together with records and put a case together for submission to the relevant military authority with the burial details usually forwarded later in the process to CWGC. Proving a case is not always possible and, of course, others will never qualify. Many valid cases can never now be proved unless, possibly, where NOK are involved. It does not follow that if a name is upon a war memorial his / hers was a war death.

Bear in mind CWGC have no decision to make on whether the case succeeds or not, they simply commemorate the casualty once approved as " war dead " by the military authority.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:35 pm    Post subject: 2nd Lt Muir Reply with quote

Jim
Yes , I know the research that I had to do to get my namesake uncle into the Scottish National War Memorial , Edinburgh for WW1 ( Lt Patrick Wright Anderson , 8 Black Watch , 10 Black Watch & 18 Sqn RFC & RAF buried Western Cemetery , Arbroath ) and I managed to get him listed as his wounds were on 27 June 1918 but death from wounds received in action was on 2 November 1921 .

The CWGC said that he died of his war wounds after the last day of August 1921 so he can not be listed as a CWGC commission casualty ! I wrote to the then resident of No 10 and the Commissioner of CWGC and asked why General Auchinleck was awared a MOD grave and headstone in north africa as he died 40+ years after WW2 cut off date and they replied " Generals never retire .. !


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:47 pm    Post subject: 2nd Lt ALEXANDER DALE MUIR , 6 Bn Black Watch Reply with quote

Pat

I well remember our " correspondence " on the subject of your uncle and Auchinleck at the time, I still sympathise with your situation.
Unfortunatly, his death after the war was legally at an end date cannot now be changed.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:50 pm    Post subject: Lt Muir Reply with quote

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at least the Scottish National War memorial edinburgh castle listed my namesake uncle and I paid for a headstone in the family plots as he was not recorded . The heastone was well worth the money and keeps his memory alive as it mentions his military service of the Great War

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I am aware that CWGC received 60 approved cases back from MOD last week, so Gillespie may well be one of these.


Maurice Gordon Gillespie was added to the CWGC Debt of Honour Roll today. Details in non-comm section.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:01 pm    Post subject: 2nd Alexander Dale MUIR , 6th Black Watch Reply with quote

I have received a communication update from Iain Anderson, Regional Supervisor for the CWGC Scotland reporting that on 27 September 2010 at PERTH (Wellhill ) Cemetery perthshire the Commision headstone was erected at the grave of 2nd Lieutenant ALEXANDER DALE MUIR , aged 30 , son of George & Margaret Love Muir . The headstone is located at PAROCHIAL 2 , Section E lair 11 .

There are plans to have a Black Watch Association ceremony at the grave in conjunction with the CWGC and hopefully any next of kin living in Scotland as there will be family members in CANADA too . Mark Duffy has been informed of this development and hopefully he and others like Jim would be able to attend the BW Assoc ceremony in thanks for their hard work in doing the research to prove this fallen Officer was a CWGC casualty

I will update this and the Scottish War Graves project in due course

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