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Ferenish District, Drimmin, Morvern **Photos Required**
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john hendry



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:49 am    Post subject: Ferenish District, Drimmin, Morvern **Photos Required** Reply with quote

Visited in 2005. Sory no photo. This is on the east side of the road, the manicured grass gives it away. Located in a tree lined section near a well-hidden church, 1" grid ref 560 520 on the B849 from Lochaline.

This WM commemorates the men of Ferenish district of Morvern parish, from places such as Dornavine, Glen Morvern and Drimmin. 12 names WW1 only.

Lochaline's WM is on UKNI and I didn't see it, seems to be the main WM for Morvern district/parish.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I've found it on Google maps here:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Lochaline&sll=57.773968,-3.965635&sspn=0.022519,0.07699&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Lochaline,+Morvern,+Oban,+Argyll,+United+Kingdom&ll=56.598626,-5.969954&spn=0,359.92301&t=h&z=14&layer=c&cbll=56.598748,-5.970093&panoid=IcLq7Elozx20-MyorsimOg&cbp=12,64.55,,0,-12.01

So I think it places it about NM 571 507

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately looking at the Google Maps Street View image it looks like the memorial needed some tlc in the last year or so. Hopefully it is looking as good as new now.



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure this is the Morvern WM. I've found a reference to it being near Ferinish Church, Bonnavoulin. OS Ref NM 5640 5226. That matches John's description of it being near a church and the OS Ref is very near this spot on Google Maps.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually with there being another memorial at Lochaline I don't know if this is the Morvern one so amending the title again.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks to Jane Furlong at the UKNIWM for confirming that there is a different memorial at Lochaline so I think we'll stick with this one being the Drimmin memorial rather than the Morvern memorial.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

See http://www.mbriscoe.me.uk/page236.html

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to confuse matters a little bit further the RCAHMS have an entry for this memorial on ScotlandsPlaces and call it something else

http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/search_item/index.php?service=RCAHMS&id=134517

Bonnavoulin, Ferinish Church, War Memorial

Alternative Name(s) FERNISH CHURCH
Canmore ID 134517
Site Type WAR MEMORIAL (20TH CENTURY)
County ARGYLL
Parish MORVERN
Council HIGHLAND
NGR NM 5640 5226
Latitude, Longitude 56.598749N, 5.970159W

Just to confuse matters further this entry has Ferinish and Fernish and John calls it Ferenish.

So we have Bonnavulin, Drimmin and Ferenish / Ferinish / Fernish for this memorial.

It seems to cover the village at Bonnavulin but is located at Drimmin where the former parish church is. Howver the inscription although faded does say "Ferenish"

That means I am going to rename this thread yet again to:

Ferenish District (area), Drimmin (location), Morvern (parish)

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Using the ScotlandsPeople image, Martin Briscoe's website and a map I think have managed to do a fair transcription of this memorial

In Memory of
Those from the Ferenish End of
the parish of Morvern who died
For us in the Great War

1914-1918

Killundine

Sergt James Ferguson M.G.C.
Pte Angus Cameron M.T.C
Pte Alex. McKinnon A & S.H.

Glenmorvern

Smn Hugh Gillies, R.N.
Gnr John McArthur, R.G.A.
Lieut Duncan Cameron, A & S.H.
Pte William Gillies, C.H.
Pte John Stewart Sth H.

Drimmin

Pte Donald MacDonald Canadian E.F.
Pte Wm C or G Burn Murdoch Canadian E.F.
Gnr John Robertson R.G.A.
Pte John Campbell, C.R. (or G.R.)

"His name shall endure for ever"

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All bar two of these names also appear on the Morvern War Memorial at Lochaline so we can put some dates against their names

Killundine - all three lost in 1918

Sergt James Ferguson M.G.C. 1918
Pte Angus Cameron M.T.C 1918
Pte Alex. McKinnon A & S.H. 1918

Glenmorvern

Smn Hugh Gillies, R.N. 1916
Gnr John McArthur, R.G.A. 1917
Lieut Duncan Cameron, A & S.H. 1918
Pte William Gillies, C.H. 1915
Pte John Stewart Sth H. 1916

Drimmin

Pte Donald MacDonald Canadian E.F. 1917
Pte Wm C or G Burn Murdoch Canadian E.F. - Not on Morvern WM
Gnr John Robertson R.G.A. 1918
Pte John Campbell, C.R. (or G.R.) - Not on Morvern WM
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is one of the men who don't appear on the memorial at Lochaline. As a soldier of the CEF with family in Edinburgh his link to the parish may have been too tenuous for Lochaline's memorial but not for this one.

BURN-MURDOCH, WILLIAM CALLANDER
Initials: W C
Nationality: Canadian
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry (Eastern Ontario Regiment)
Unit Text: No. 3 Coy.
Age: 26
Date of Death: 08/05/1915
Service No: 51356
Additional information: Son of Archibald and Mary H. Burn-Murdoch, of 10, Merchiston Avenue, Edinburgh, Scotland.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 10.
Memorial: YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first man in the district to fall

GILLIES, WILLIAM
Initials: W
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Cameron Highlanders
Unit Text: 5th Bn.
Date of Death: 25/09/1915
Service No: S/17034
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 119 to 124.
Memorial: LOOS MEMORIAL
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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adam Brown wrote:
This is one of the men who don't appear on the memorial at Lochaline. As a soldier of the CEF with family in Edinburgh his link to the parish may have been too tenuous for Lochaline's memorial but not for this one.

BURN-MURDOCH, WILLIAM CALLANDER
Initials: W C
Nationality: Canadian
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry (Eastern Ontario Regiment)
Unit Text: No. 3 Coy.
Age: 26
Date of Death: 08/05/1915
Service No: 51356
Additional information: Son of Archibald and Mary H. Burn-Murdoch, of 10, Merchiston Avenue, Edinburgh, Scotland.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 10.
Memorial: YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL


He was born in Edinburgh according to his attestation papers and not married so it is not as if his wife was from the area. Both parents also born in Edinburgh.

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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought the PPCLI was only formed from former British Army soldiers but it shows here that he had not served in the army before he enlisted.

I see his father has WS after his name so he was an Edinburgh solicitor.

Given his Edinburgh background and his father's occupation he may be listed on one of the public school memorials in the City.

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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adam Brown wrote:
I thought the PPCLI was only formed from former British Army soldiers but it shows here that he had not served in the army before he enlisted.

I see his father has WS after his name so he was an Edinburgh solicitor.

Given his Edinburgh background and his father's occupation he may be listed on one of the public school memorials in the City.

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The official website has

Quote:
In just over a week since it's birth the Regiment grew to 1,098 all ranks, with 1,049 of those members having seen previous service in South Africa or in the forces of the British Empire.


So it looks as if they were mainly ex-serviceman but not exclusively. his form says he belonged to the "Active Militia", whatever that was.

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