The Scottish Military Research Group - Commemorations Project

Roxy · Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:35 pm Post subject:

There is no H Forsyth, RSF, on CWGC.

Roxy
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Remembering my ggf, Pte Thomas Roberts, 10 SR, killed 25 Sep 15 at Loos.
Also remembering Flt Lt Al Squires and CXX/3 killed 2 Sep 06 in Afghanistan.

spoons · Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:32 pm Post subject:

This is the only Hiram (or Haram) Forsyth on SNWM

Surname FORSYTH
Firstname Hiram
Service Number 12984
Date Death 23/08/1915
Decoration
Place of birth Banbridge Co Down
Other 6th Bn.
SNWM roll SCOTTISH CASUALTIES EXTRACTED FROM IRISH REGIMENTS
Rank Pte
Theatre of death Egypt.

So I think pretty conclusive that it is the same man.

\Paul

apanderson · Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:58 am Post subject:

Hi milmor,

It's not uncommon for Civic Memorials to have the odd wee mistake or two, so I would think 'Haram' is Hiram and that 'Scottish' should be 'Irish'.

Anne

milmor_1 · Joined: 03 Jun 2009 Posts: 118 Location: Ireland

Many Thanks guys

I thought I was correct in my assumptions just wanted to get a fresh view.

milmor_1 · Joined: 03 Jun 2009 Posts: 118 Location: Ireland

Here is another soldier named on the memorial who served in an Irish Regiment and died due to his service in the Gallipoli Operations.

FITZSIMONS, Thomas Private 18440 6th Bn Royal Dublin Fusiliers
Born: Old Monkland, Lanarkshire Resided: Coatbridge, Lanarkshire Enlisted: Airdrie, Lanarkshire.
Date of Death: 09/08/1915 Cause: Died of wounds.
Grave/Memorial: Panel 190 to 196. Helles Memorial.

milmor_1 · Joined: 03 Jun 2009 Posts: 118 Location: Ireland

GATES, Robert Private 13363 6th Bn Royal Dublin Fusiliers
Born: Old Monkland, Lanarkshire Enlisted: Coatbridge, Lanarkshire.
Date of Death: 09/08/1915 Cause: Killed in action.
*Family Notes: Nephew of, Mrs. Leech, 6 Queen Street, Belfast.

Private Robert Gates, 6th Battalion Royal Dublin Fusiliers, missing since August 9 at the Dardanelles. Any Information will be thankfully received by his Aunt, Mrs. Leech, 6 Queen Victoria St., Belfast.
The Belfast Evening Telegraph, 5 February 1916.

Grave/Memorial: Panel 190 to 196. Helles Memorial.

apanderson · Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:27 pm Post subject:

I think I might have made a wee discovery on this memorial ........

I think the same man has been listed twice!

CWGC:
Name: BRANNAN, JAMES
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Royal Scots
Unit Text: 11th Bn.
Date of Death: 21/03/1918
Service No: 42805
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 13 and 14.
Memorial: POZIERES MEMORIAL

SNWM:
Surname BRANNAN
Firstname James
Service Number 42805
Date Death 21/03/1918
Decoration
Place of birth New Monkland
Other 11th Bn. formerly 3410 Ayrshire Yeo., 51910 R. Scot. Fus.
SNWM roll THE ROYAL SCOTS (LOTHIAN REGIMENT)
Rank Pte
Theatre of death F.& F.

Surname BRANNAN
Firstname James
Service Number 3410
Date Death 21/03/1918
Decoration
Place of birth New Monkland
Other latterly 42805 11th Bn. The Royal Scots.
SNWM roll AYRSHIRE YEOMANRY
Rank Pte
Theatre of death F.& F.

Surname BRANNAN
Firstname James
Service Number 51910
Date Death 21/03/1918
Decoration
Place of birth New Monkland Lanarkshire
Other latterly 42805 11th Bn. The Royal Scots.
SNWM roll THE ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS
Rank Pte
Theatre of death F.& F.

Anne

Adam Brown · Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:19 pm Post subject:

That's interesting, the memorial has two different spellings and neither matches the CWGC or SNWM details. It looks awfully like it could be the same man.

What's the difference between Old Monkland and New Monkland by the way? I thought one was Airdrie and the other Coatbridge but both are listed in this thread.

Thanks

Adam

dhubthaigh · Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:53 pm Post subject:

I have a suspicion that there are duplicates in the Perth Golden Book, for one reason or another. First time I've seen it actually on the memorial itself though if it is the case!

apanderson · Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 8:10 pm Post subject:

Yes, you're right Adam.

Coatbridge is 'Parish' of Old Monkland and Airdrie is 'Parish' of New Monkland, but neither place is very far from the other.

New Monkland nowadays really refers to Glenmavis and Old Monkland refers to the area around Old Monkland Cemetery.

I'm working my way through Coatbridge Civic and adding/collating as much info as I can from churches/schools etc, so you can be sure I'll have plenty of queries coming up shortly!! Laughing

Anne

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Adam Brown · Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:42 pm Post subject:

The Second World War names aren't clear (I'll have to sort that) but thanks to Alan Sharp on the Talking Scot forum I was alerted to this New Zealander being listed on this memorial. His wife was from Coatbridge.

PERRIN, DESMOND PALMER
Initials: D P
Nationality: New Zealand
Rank: Flight Lieutenant (Pilot)
Regiment/Service: Royal New Zealand Air Force
Unit Text: 198 (R.A.F.) Sqdn.
Age: 25
Date of Death: 10/09/1944
Service No: 404404
Awards: D F C
Additional information: Son of Alfred Charles and Margaret Theresa Perrin, of Wellington, New Zealand; husband of Anna Margarette Beth Perrin (nee Cleland), of Coatbridge, Scotland.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: I. P. 1.
Cemetery: LE TREPORT MILITARY CEMETERY

milmor_1 · Joined: 03 Jun 2009 Posts: 118 Location: Ireland

MARTIN, Patrick Private 19584 5th Bn Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers
Born: Asylum Road, Letterkenny, Co Donegal Enlisted: Coatbridge, Lanarkshire.
Date of Death: 15/08/1915 Cause: Killed in action.
*Family Notes: Son of, James Charles and Margaret Jane martin (Nee McClintock).
Grave/Memorial: Panel 97 to 101. Helles Memorial.
Irish War Memorial Records Page No: Volume V, Page 233.

milmor_1 · Joined: 03 Jun 2009 Posts: 118 Location: Ireland

I believe that this is the Thomas Cox that is named on the memorial.
The memorial gives his unit as 7th R In F (Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers), a search of soldiers died and the Irish War Memorial Records shows no such soldier in 7th Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers.

COX, Thomas Private 15815 5th Bn Royal Irish Fusiliers
Born: Midleton, Co Cork Resided: Midleton, Co Cork Enlisted: Coatbridge, Lanarkshire.
Age: 23 Date of Death: 16/08/1915 Cause: Killed in action.
Family Notes: Son of, John and Ellen Cox, of the Park, Midleton, Co. Cork.

Private Thomas Cox of the 5th Batt Royal Irish Fusiliers, killed in action on 16th September ulto, in Gallipoli. The deceased who was only 23 years of age, was the second son of Mr. John Cox. The Park, Midleton. Just a year ago he was amongst the first with the colours and joined Kitchener’s army. Previously he had been an employee of the Midleton Distillery, and his death has been learned with regret in his native town. Much sympathy is felt with the parents and family of the deceased on the demise of this gallant and worthy Irish soldier.
The Cork Weekly Examiner, 16 October 1915.

Grave/Memorial: Panel 178 to 180. Helles Memorial.
Irish War Memorial Records Page No: Volume II, Page 184
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Tonym · Joined: 18 Jan 2007 Posts: 224 Location: East Sussex

Adam

On the first WW2 pic, 3rd Panel, 5 down in the 'Rs' is a WAAF. I can't quite make out the surname looks like 'REID', Alice M. but cannot find a REID on CWGC is the surname clearer on the original photo please?

Unable to make out any other females, are there any?

Tony
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Pte. W. BROWN, Middlesex Regiment, K.I.A Battle of The Somme.
Sgt. J. V. MURPHY, The Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders, D.O.W Monte Cassino, Italy.