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Johnni



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:00 pm    Post subject: Hi People Reply with quote

Hi all. Just happened to find this incredible site today ... and added it to my Forums file. I'm an archivist for my community, so I'm really glad to find somewhere where the work seems alrady to have been done ... and I can sit back (kinda) and just read.

However, I am trying to find out why my community seems to be the only place in Scotland that doesn't have a war Memorial.

Other areas around us do ... which are fascinating ... but we don't. Strange or what???
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spoons



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Location: St John's Town of Dalry

PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Johnni and welcome.

Which community is that. Some part of Edinburgh I guess from your other post.

Big cities tend to have a big memorial and not so much done at a parish or community level. Certainly that is my experience based on observations in Winchester, Edinburgh and Glasgow. The problem with Edinburgh is that their roll of honour disappeared sometime in the 60s I believe so there is no list of names for the city either. (Nor has Winchester by the way).

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Johnni



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Spoons.

I'm from Craigmillar/Niddrie. I started doing a digital archive of my community aome months ago ... but I've found very little in my research of for both WWI and WWII.

A few people have said there was a memorial of some kind in a brewery garden in Duddingston Road West ... but I've found nothing as yet. I'm hoping this site will help me find some answers, while also learning about other areas and cities.
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spoons



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you haven't already checked, try http://www.ukniwm.org.uk/server/show/nav.23 and put Edinburgh in as place then check down the list to see if there is anything you are interested in.

Ploy number 2 is to get inside each church in the area (I find that arriving just as the service is finishing is the best) and have a look around to see what they have. Please take a camera to photograph any memorials you find for this project. Then ask to speak to the session clerk (church of scotland) or the reverend/priest for others and ask if they have any memorials or rolls of honour not on display.

Always worth trying the local schools to see if they have any.

Then search the local newspapers (probably microfilm in the local library). If they are not indexed then you will need to search 1919 to 1922 for WW1. Also ask the librarian if they have anything on local war memorials - my local library has a folder of research notes.

Good luck and let us know how you get on. If all else fails, stick a letter in the local paper to ask for info.

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Paul
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spoons



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found one for you. Bristo Memorial Church (that's in your area isn't it?)

"A War Memorial to those who died in the 1914-18 conflict, containing 25 names, was unveiled on the outer Church wall, to the left of the door, on 10th July 1921. "

http://www.southedinburgh.net/history/greater-liberton-heritage-project/bristo-memorial-church

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know whether this is the same church ......?

Bristo Place Congregational Church had a Bronze Eliptical Panel, designed by Mr. William Davidson, Architect which unveiled on 12th March 1922.

This info is taken from an article in The Scotsman, dated 13th March 1922, Page 5.

I 'did' have a copy of the article, but can't find it right now.

Anne
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, Craigmillar Golf Club had a Bronze Tablet in stone framework built into outer wall of clubhouse listing 15 names.

Same source and I can't find this either!! (Article dated 2nd April 1922, page 6)

Anne
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Adam Brown
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just after the end of the First World War the boundaries of the City of Edinburgh were enlarged and Leith, Portobelllo and a lot of the villages around it were absorbed into Edinburgh.

Some communities like Colinton, Liberton, Corstorphine, Leith all erected civic memorials. Musselburgh had a lot of debate before erecting a cross outside Inveresk Church. Portobello didn't erect a public memorial at all. There is one in the High School and in churches but not one for the community as a whole.

Duddingston erected a cross and I suspect Craigmillar may have been a small community in the early 1920s and would certainly have ones in any churches but would it have been covered by the Duddingston civic memorial (with no names)?

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Johnni



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you all. Your comments, suggestions and insights are all very helpful since modern history is not my sphere at all. I'm more comfortable with Egyptians, Akkadians, Hittites, Edomites and Amalekites!

Yes, Craigmillar/Niddrie was subsumed into Edinburgh boundaries in 1920, but our parent parish wasn't Duddingston. It was actually Liberton, and I've photographed that already, plus you've got a great section on it.

Didn't know about the Bristo ... not a very "churchy" person so I try to avoid all that ... but now you got me interested.

Damn ... where's me Franciscan robe for the Friary and St Theresa's!!! I better practice the old genuflection before meeting Father Casimir!

Craigmillar Golf Club is the Craigmillar Park area, up from Cameron Toll, which has nothing to do with MY area of Craigmillar. I live in the notorious "ghetto" ... while Craigmillar Park are our snooty neighbours who like to pretend the rest of us don't exist! There'll be no memorial to industrial Craigmillar there I can assure you!

Bristo Place Congregational Church is in the centre of Edinburgh near the Student Enclave of Edinburgh University at Lauriston, next to the new Quartermile development.

But thanks again one and all. Whatever I find, if I find anything, I'll share.
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Johnni



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks to the help I've had here, I now have some information to go on to start an Archive on the War Years effect on my home community .,.. and a standing invitation to go photograph the war memorials and view their Rolls of Honour in Bristo Memorial Church.

It seems some did collect the names of the men from this area who fell in battle, and the information is all in a book. I'll be sure to ask if I can share this with the site.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like you are another one we have hooked Laughing

If you publish anything, be sure to let us know.

\Paul
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