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AJRodger



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:52 pm    Post subject: Hi Reply with quote

What an excellent forum. I have had a fasination with war memorials since boyhood. My particular interest is with Scottish regiments involvement in the First World War. Originally from Glasgow, I now live in Falkirk.

Hopefully I will be able to add two memorials quite soon to the forum and all going well some research into the fallen on both memorials. I will be visiting Kilfinian, Argyll this summer and know of a memorial in the village that has yet to be posted and also a roll of honour in Newlands South Parish Church, Glasgow that I intend researching.

Great to be in the company of like-minded folk, look forward to adding to the site.

Alan
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to the forum Alan, it's always good to welcome a new face.

I hope you find plenty to interest you here, and I look forward to see the new memorials you plan to add!

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan

Welcome to the forum. Memorials in churches are always that bit harder to get so any additions to the forum will be very welcome.

Regards

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome Alan. Good to have you with us.

rgds.,
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aye, welcome

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not sure of where this should be posted so have plugged for my intro thread.

I have just returned from the Somme and Ypres and traced my distant relation, Daniel Hood Rodger, on the Menin Gate memorial.

I am interested in researching further what mission may have led to his death, and by searching the Scottish National War Memorials website I have found that about eight soldiers, one NCO and two officers were killed in action from his battalion, the 2nd Royal Scots, on the same date. It was not during any of the Ypres offensives (27/3/1916).

Interestingly, according to the CWGC, the NCO was mentioned in despatches and I have had no luck in finding his details on the archive search of the excellent London Gazette website in order to confirm whether there is any further detail of his commendation that may link to my relative's fate.

Has anyone try a similar line of research and been successful or is it possibly a fruitless exercise as the detail would not be sufficient to increase knowledge anyhow? Any insights greatly received.
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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AJ

There was a large history of the Royal Scots during the Great War published in two volumes in the 1920s.

'The Royal Scots, 1914-1919' by John Ewing

You may be able to get that through your library.

Alternatively you're best bet to find out what 2nd Bn Royal Scots was doing on that day is to look up their War Diary.

I don't know if the Regimental Museum at Edinburgh Castle has copies of the War Diaries? I know other regiments do have copies so it may be worth a try contacting them.

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think MiD are listed in the London Gazette. The only thing I could find on Ancestry is his Medal Index Card, I presume you have that already?

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 10:39 pm    Post subject: 3788 Pte Daniel H Rodger, 2 Royal Scots Reply with quote

Alan

MID's are listed in the LG. Finding them is the problem.

Here is the award to CSM Angus, it is a list without detail.
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/29623/supplements/5935
This does not help with Daniel Rodger as he was attached to the 8th East Yorkshire Regiment at the time.

It appears that Daniel was caught up in the action at St Eloi on 27th March.
St Eloi was an area which became notorious due to the mining activity there. On that day six mines were detonated under the German line.

There are details of the officer you mention which confirm 2 Royal Scots were at St Eloi. He was killed due to shelling, maybe Daniel is one of the others mentioned.

2ND LIEUTENANT JAMES WILSON MacTURK RAINIE, 2nd Battalion The Royal Scots, was born in November 1896, and was at
Loretto from 1908 to 1915. Musical Scholar. Prefect. XV. Sergeant, O.T.C. On leaving school he was given a nomination to the Royal Military College, and he went to Sandhurst in May 1915, where he became a Cadet-Sergeant.
Gazetted to the Royal Scots, Lieut. Rainie was posted to the 2nd Battalion in Flanders. On March 30, 1916, he and several others of his Battalion were making their way up to the front-line trenches at 8t. Eloi, under a heavy shell fire, when he was struck by a splinter and killed.

Note the Obit date is wrong, but CWGC confirm it was the 27th as you are aware.

Hope this assists
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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you so much for this information, I am truly grateful. I will also check out the Royal Scots.

I thought by the composition of those who were killed in action that day, it may have been a small party sent on a difficult mission.

Thanks again. I will hopefully be able to post some memorials over the summer.

Alan
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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 5:28 pm    Post subject: JOHN LEITCH MITCHELL SCOTT Reply with quote

These are the original CWGC Helles Memorial Register details as supplied by the Military. For some reason his NOK have not added to them during the Final Verification process.

He was buried at sea.




Name: SCOTT, JOHN LEITCH MITCHELL
Initials: J L M
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: King's Own Scottish Borderers Unit Text: 1st Bn.
Date of Death: 06/06/1915
Service No: 9526
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 84 to 92 or 220 to 222.
Memorial: HELLES MEMORIAL
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