The Scottish Military Research Group - Commemorations Project

William Stevenson · Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 23

Here are the names from Fallin's War Memorial,

FALLIN WAR MEMORIAL WORLD WAR I

2nd Lt. Thomas Gemmell Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders VALENCIENNES (ST. ROCH) COMMUNAL CEMETERY
Corporal John Bruce Grenadier Guards THIEPVAL MEMORIAL
Corporal James Bridges Gordon Highlanders No record of Cpl. James Bridges, Gordon Highlanders in CWGC records. Six James Bridges recorded.

Lance Corporal George Reilly Royal Highlanders MAROEUIL BRITISH CEMETERY
Sapper Arthur McGuigan Engineers LIJSSENTHOEK MILITARY CEMETERY
Private Adam Bunyan Machine Gun Corp. TILLOY BRITISH CEMETERY, TILLOY-LES-MOFFLAINES
Private John Boyd Machine Gun Corp. ARNEKE BRITISH CEMETERY
Private William Nicol Machine Gun Corp. POZIERES MEMORIAL
Private Archibald Boyd Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL
Private Arthur Warren Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders GREVILLERS BRITISH CEMETERY
Private Moses More Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders TYNE COT MEMORIAL
Private Hugh Cochrane Royal Scots STIRLING (BALLENGEICH) CEMETERY
Private John Dawson Royal Warwicks NEW IRISH FARM CEMETERY
Private Richard Dawson Gordon Highlanders THIEPVAL MEMORIAL
Private John McBlain Gordon Highlanders ABBEVILLE COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION

Private William Nelson Gordon Highlanders ARRAS MEMORIAL
Private William Bain Gordon Highlanders Pte. William Bain, Gordon Highlanders. Five William Bain’s, Gordon Highlanders, in the CWGC records.

Private Robert Williamson Seaforth Highlanders WIMEREUX COMMUNAL CEMETERY
Private William Thomson Seaforth Highlanders BROWN'S COPSE CEMETERY, ROEUX
Private Malcolm Russell Seaforth Highlanders TERLINCTHUN BRITISH CEMETERY, WIMILLE
Private Thomas Cochrane Seaforth Highlanders POZIERES MEMORIAL
Private William Ryan Cameron Highlanders TILLOY BRITISH CEMETERY, TILLOY-LES-MOFFLAINES
Private William Lyle Royal Highlanders No record of Pte. William Lyle, Royal Highlanders (Black Watch) in CWGC records. Seven W. Lyle’s recorded.

Private John Bain Royal Highlanders PLOEGSTEERT MEMORIAL
Private Alfred Lorimer Royal Highlanders AUBIGNY COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION
Private Edward McCluskey R.A.S.C. SALONIKA (LEMBET ROAD) MILITARY CEMETERY
TABLE 1: NAMES OF MEN LISTED AS KILLED ON THE FALLIN MEMORIAL(3,4)

FALLIN WAR MEMORIAL WORLD WAR II

Private William Hulston Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders RANVILLE WAR CEMETERY
Private George A.S.F. Wood Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders LILLE SOUTHERN CEMETERY
Private John Campbell Royal Horse GIBRALTAR (NORTH FRONT) CEMETERY
Private William McAuley Royal Scots REICHSWALD FOREST WAR CEMETERY
Sergeant William Layton Northants CASSINO WAR CEMETERY
Commando George Davidson Royal Marines Engineer Officer BAYEUX WAR CEMETERY
Flying Officer (Pilot) David Anthony Cohen Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve MADRAS WAR CEMETERT, CHENNAI
Aircraftman 1st Class Thomas Mair Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve ST. NINIANS (BANNOCKBURN) PARISH BURIAL GROUND

Flight Sergeant David Nelson Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve BUDAPEST WAR CEMETERY
Gunner Charles McMeechan Royal Artillery SINGAPORE MEMORIAL
TABLE 3: NAMES OF MEN LISTED AS KILLED ON THE FALLIN MEMORIAL(3,4)

FALLIN PUBLIC SCHOOL ROLL OF HONOUR WORLD WAR I

2nd Lt. Robert Logan Seaforth Highlanders TYNE COT MEMORIAL
Lance Corporal James Hoggan Royal Scots TYNE COT MEMORIAL
Private John Bain Royal Highlanders PLOEGSTEERT MEMORIAL
Private Johnstone Barr Cameronian Highlanders YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL
Private John Boyd Gordon Highlanders ARNEKE BRITISH CEMETERY
Private George Brock Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders ARRAS MEMORIAL
Private John Dawson Royal Warwicks NEW IRISH FARM CEMETERY
Private James Forsyth Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders KARASOULI MILITARY CEMETERY
Private John Henderson Royal Scots There are nine John Hendersons, Royal Scots, in the CWGC records.

Private Moses More Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders TYNE COT MEMORIAL
Private Robert Morrison Kings Own Scottish Borderers There are two Robert Morrison’s, K.O.S.B, in the CWGC records.

Private Mungo Orr Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders SANCTUARY WOOD CEMETERY
Private Malcolm Russell Seaforth Highlanders TERLINCTHUN BRITISH CEMETERY, WIMILLE
Private William Ryan Cameronian Highlanders TILLOY BRITISH CEMETERY, TILLOY-LES-MOFFLAINES

Private William Thomson Seaforth Highlanders BROWN'S COPSE CEMETERY, ROEUX
TABLE 2: NAMES OF MEN LISTED AS KILLED ON THE FALLIN PUBLIC SCHOOL MEMORIAL(

Fallin men missing from war memorial,

NAMES MISSING FROM THE FALLIN MEMORIAL

During my research into Fallin’s World War I casualties and on checking the memorial I discovered two names were missing. Both of these men were residents of the village and one of them was also born in Fallin. This discovery should be looked into further, to correct this omission. It is important that everyone who made the ultimate sacrifice is remembered.

The men missing from the memorial are:-

Name: PATERSON, ANDREW
Initials: A
Born: Fallin, Stirlingshire
Enlisted: Stirling
Residence: Fallin Stirlingshire
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Date of Death: 10/10/1918
Service No: S/8081
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: I. C. 3.
Cemetery: SELRIDGE BRITISH CEMETERY, MONTAY

Name: WATSON, WILLIAM
Initials: W
Enlisted: Stirling
Residence: Fallin Stirlingshire
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment: King's Own (Royal Lancaster Regiment)
Unit Text: 8th Bn.
Date of Death: 28/03/1918
Service No: 28342
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Bay 2.
Cemetery: ARRAS MEMORIAL

Malcolm · Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 184 Location: Edinburgh

William, welcome to a GREAT website. Hope your computer is behaving itself.
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Malcolm

William Stevenson · Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 23

Hi Malcolm, internet connection still dickie. Did you pick up on the two names missing from the Fallin War Memorial, I informed Archie Bone, Chairman of the Community Council and Councillor Tom Hazel, their local representative on Stirling Council, Archie was going to check the local archives, but so far I've heard no more from them. Willie.

apanderson · Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:26 pm Post subject:

Adam Brown · Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:46 pm Post subject:

From the photographs it looks like Gunner Charles McMeechan Royal Artillery was added to the list of Second World War names at a later date to the others so hopefully they will look into any Great War omissions as well.

Adam

William Stevenson · Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 23

Hi Adam, I spoke to Gunner Charles McMeechan's son, also a friend of his who was involved in getting the name added to the memorial. They said it took a long time involving a lot of research and effort to do it. Gunner McMeechan is Remembered on Panel 24 of The Singapore Memorial (no known grave). Willie.

spoons · Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:19 pm Post subject:

On the Daily Record website today:

"Scots squaddie to be rememered on WW1 memorial after 90 years
Nov 29 2008

A SCOTS soldier killed in World War I is to get his name on his village's war memorial at last.

Private Andrew Paterson, from Fallin, Stirlingshire, lied about his age so he could enlist in 1914.

He died in France in October 1918 but, due to a blunder, his name was left off the memorial.

The community council are to put that right."

dhubthaigh · Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:36 pm Post subject:

Along with Andrew Paterson, William Watson's name is also to be inscribed on the Fallin Memorial;

Name: PATERSON
Initials: A
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Date of Death: 10/10/1918
Service No: S/8081
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: I. C. 3.
Cemetery: SELRIDGE BRITISH CEMETERY, MONTAY
Born: Fallin, Stirlingshire

Name: WATSON, WILLIAM
Initials: W
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: King's Own (Royal Lancaster Regiment)
Unit Text: 8th Bn.
Date of Death: 28/03/1918
Service No: 28342
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Bay 2.
Memorial: ARRAS MEMORIAL
Residence: Fallin

kinnethmont · Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 1649 Location: Aberdeenshire

Is it known why it is believed these men were left off in the first place?

It would seem unlikely that the inhabitants of a small mining village and the family members would not have known those who went to the war never more to return home. I also notice that Andrew Paterson is absent from the Fallin Public School Roll of Honour.
There were many valid reasons why men were left off a memorial.
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Jim

If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

www.kinnethmont.co.uk

William Stevenson · Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 23

Hi Jim, I have given the Community Council all relevent documents to help carry this forward and may be going to their next meeting to do a talk on the memorial and the two men.

Willie.

PS look at my posting for Bridge of Allan's War Memorial there are a couple of names missing from that I have found who should be looked into, I have given the relevent information to the people involved in the renovation project.

kinnethmont · Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 1649 Location: Aberdeenshire

Willie

Thanks for the details. The situation at Bridge of Allan is shocking, I hope the original panels are recovered. From earlier research I understand these memorials are in the care of Stirling Council and that they have a procedure to approve / decline proposals to add names to memorials.

With some records being more readily available there are some cases being promoted throughout the country ( I am not suggesting this is one) simply because it is now discovered a man was born, or lived for a short time, in a particular place. This information was usually known in the 1920's and a decision made.
Simply adding names for these reasons if it happens, is in my view, an interference with history and the work of the relevant committee. I accept they had their failings, but in small communities they generally carried out their duties efficiently.
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Jim

If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

www.kinnethmont.co.uk

apanderson · Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 1:34 pm Post subject:

A wee bit 'off-topic' here but the situation of 'missing names' isn't exactly exclusive to memorials.

I've discovered over the years that even listed CWGC graves don't always have a stone. The reasons for this can be varied but the one which always 'gets to me' is that the family, for one reason or another at the time, didn't wish to have any stone and CWGC have to abide by their wishes.

Whether this can/will ever be changed, I don't know, but I have a few photos of CWGC graves and grave sites with no stone or marker of any description or other ones of family stones with no mention of the individual recorded on them.

Anne

kinnethmont · Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 1649 Location: Aberdeenshire

Anne

I also agree it is very sad that some graves are not marked at all. All had the opportunity, but as you state, it was for the next of kin to decide. In their grief in some cases they did not want the name on a war memorial although some, looking at it from the 2008 angle, find it difficult to appreciate.

CWGC's Charter will not permit them to erect headstones in these cases, that is unlikely to change. I understand a CWGC stone can be erected if the family chose to add the name to a family stone. This can only happen if the condition of the private stone, over which CWGC have no authority, deteriorates with age / damage to such an extent the details are gone. In some circumstances a CWGC headstone can be put in place to commemorate the casualty only.
_________________
Jim

If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

www.kinnethmont.co.uk

DelBoy · Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:54 pm Post subject:

Private J Bain of the Black Watch who is on this the Fallin memorial and the Fallin School Roll of Honour is also on Arbroaths War Memorial.

DelBoy · Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:02 am Post subject: Re: FALLIN & DISTRICT