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WWI ROLL OF HONOUR: Black John Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders 8th Brochroy Campbell Archibald Scottish Horse Shore Cottage Campbell Duncan Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders 9th Airds Campbell Peter Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders 9th Clachadow Fisher Malcolm Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders 14th Ach-n-annait Fraser John McNiven Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders 8th Lorn Furnace George James Canadians Royal Engineers Pass of Awe Johnston John Black Watch Taynuilt Livingston Archibald Seaforth Highlanders Glen Etive Livingston James Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders 8th Glen Etive Livingston John Glen Etive MacBean James Scottish Hrs. Inverawe MacBean John Royal Field Artillery Inverawe MacBean William Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders 8th Second Lieutenant Inverawe Killed 12/5/1916 Additional memorial on bench near monument erected by officers of 11th Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders MacCall Alexander Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders 8th Dalfern MacCall Donald Scottish Hrs. Blackmill MacCall John Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders 13th Blackmill MacDonald Donald Royal Field Artillery Lakefield MacDonald Duncan Royal Field Artillery Lakefield MacDougall Archibald Royal Scots Fusiliers Lorn Furnace MacDougall John Cameron Highlanders 7th Lochandhu MacGreavy Alexander Royal Field Artillery Taynuilt MacGregor John C. Cameron Highlanders 4th Reverend Edinburgh MacGregor Peter 2nd Rhodesians Brochroy MacInnes Angus Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders 8th Creagmhor MacIntyre Alexander G. Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders 8th Island Ferry MacKechnie Angus Black Watch Kirkton MacLachlan Finlay Royal Scots Fusiliers Laroch MacLarty Alexander Royal Engineers Ichrachan MacMaster Angus Royal Navy Glen Etive MacNicol Neil Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders 8th Lochandhu MacPhee Duncan Royal Scots Bridge of Awe Nelson Thomas A. Lothian & Border Horse ? Achnacloich Newton Alexander Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders 9th Taynuilt Scott John Royal Field Artillery Glen Etive WWII ROLL OF HONOUR: BELL JAMES FLYING OFFICER DISTINGUISHED FLYING MEDAL CAMPBELL A.S. SERGEANT CAMPBELL D. GUNNER DICKSON R. MAJOR FINLAY C.A. PRIVATE FLEMING D. SERGEANT HUNTINGTON A.C. MAJOR M.V.O. LEVENSON S.A. W.O. MACGREGOR D. PRIVATE MACLARTY E.F. SISTER MACLEOD N. PILOT OFFICER REFFIN J. SERGEANT SINCLAIR A.J. AUXILIARY TERRITORIAL SERVICE PRIVATE Last edited by jamiemcginlay on Sat Oct 04, 2008 2:58 pm; edited 1 time in total Back to top MBrockway Joined: 25 Sep 2008 Posts: 4 Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:50 am    Post subject: Jamie, You've trancsribed three of the fallen as follows: WWI ROLL OF HONOUR: Campbell Archibald Scottish Highland Regiment Shore Cottage MacBean James Scottish Highland Regiment Inverawe MacCall Donald Scottish Highland Regiment Blackmill I think in fact the inscription reads "Scottish Hrs" meaning "Scottish Horse" rather than "Scottish Highland Regiment" I can find no Medal Index Cards for these three men under "Scottish Highland Regiment" at the National Archive. In fact I could not find ANY MICs under "Scottish Highland Regiment"! Conversely I was able to find plausible MIC Index entries using "Scottish Horse" (though I had to use the "Mc" spelling instead of the "Mac" used on the Memorial). I have not done any further cross checking however. What do you think? Cheers, Mark Back to top apanderson Administrator Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 2571 Location: Stirlingshire Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:51 am    Post subject: Hello Mark, Welcome to the Forum. I've identified one of those you mentioned although as you'll see, there is a discrepancy in the surname spelling between how it's spelt on the memorial and what's on CWGC and SNWM. Name: McBEAN Initials: J Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Serjeant Regiment/Service: Black Watch (Royal Highlanders) Unit Text: 13th13th (Scottish Horse) Bn. Age: 32 Date of Death: 17/10/1918 Service No: 315765 Additional information: Son of Hugh and Christina McBean, of Inverawe, Taynuilt, Argyll. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: III. B. 19. Cemetery: HIGHLAND CEMETERY, LE CATEAU Surname McBEAN Firstname James Service Number 315765 Date Death 17/10/1918 Place of birth Taynuilt Argyllshire Other 13th Bn. formerly 1078 Scot. Horse. SNWM roll THE BLACK WATCH (ROYAL HIGHLANDERS) Rank Sgt Theatre of death F.& F. Surname McBEAN Firstname James Service Number 1078 Date Death 17/10/1918 Place of birth Taynuilt Argyllshire Other latterly 315765 13th Bn. The Black Watch (Royal Highrs). SNWM roll SCOTTISH HORSE YEOMANRY Rank Sgt Theatre of death F.& F. Quite often on memorials, ranks and regiments are shortened to MANY weird and wonderful things and our aim is to transribe them as they appear, not what we either think they should be, or find out later to be correct. It's not only ranks and regiments either - sometimes names can be obscurely spelt, but on our transcriptions, they are always listed the way they appear. In this case, as you've pointed out, the regiment is 'Horse' rather than 'Highland'. Anne Back to top MBrockway Joined: 25 Sep 2008 Posts: 4 Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:28 am    Post subject: Thanks Anne - CWGC was my next stop as I don't have access to the SDGW! Here are the Medal Index Card Index search results I found on the National Archive: Six Archibald Campbell MIC Index entries for Scottish Horse Two MIC entries for James McBean, 1078, Scottish Horse, later Black Watch MIC entry for Donald McCall, 4789, Scottish Horse You've definitely got the same James MacBean/McBean as I have! Cheers, Mark Back to top jamiemcginlay Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 930 Location: Glasgow Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 3:03 pm    Post subject: Hello Mark, Thanks for the correction, much appreciated, and sorry for the delay in the response. I have altered the entries above and have listed Archibald Campbell's regiment as Scottish Horse since this seems certain (also thanks Anne for the info). Cheers. Jim Back to top Adam Brown Curator Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 7312 Location: Edinburgh (From Sutherland) Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:57 pm    Post subject: This is strange, the statue is wearing a Tam o'Shanter with the cap badge of the Gordon Highlanders. Given this village is in Argyll and no Gordon Highlander is listed on the Great War panel it doesn't seem to make sense. I would have thought an Argylls badge or a steel helmet would be more appropriate. I take it the statue came from Aberdeenshire. Was it originally destined for a North-East location but eventually ended up in Taynuilt? Adam Back to top David McNay Administrator Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 11423 Location: Lanarkshire, Scotland Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 8:46 am    Post subject: I received the following via email from John Macfarlane: Quote: Your members may wish to know that I published a booklet several years ago which recorded the life history, stories and service details of the WW1 soldiers on TAYNUILT war memorial to finance the plaque recording the WW2 casualties. It was a sell out. Copies are in the Argyll and Bute Council Central Library and in the National Library. The Gordon cap badge was an expensive mistake which caused much heartache locally in what is staunchly 8th Argyll and Sutherland Highlander territory. Interesting to know that the Gordons cap badge was an error. Back to top kinnethmont Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 1649 Location: Aberdeenshire Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 2:03 pm    Post subject: Quote: I take it the statue came from Aberdeenshire. Was it originally destined for a North-East location but eventually ended up in Taynuilt? I doubt this memorial was originally destined for Aberdeenshire. They were created on a very much to order basis. Interesting the Gordon cap badge was found to be an " expensive mistake ". It could have been that a Gordon Highlander figure was used, precisely, because there are none on this memorial and so he is neutral and not linked directly to the area. It was likely produced in a granite works in Aberdeen and possibly the work of Robert Morrison while working for Morren or Stewart and Co. Check out the similarity with those at Tarland, New Elgin, Tough, Ballachulish and Portsoy which are attributed to him, and likely from the same pattern. Tough http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=263 _________________ Jim If ye break faith with us who die We shall not sleep, though poppies grow In Flanders fields. www.kinnethmont.co.uk Back to top Tonym Joined: 18 Jan 2007 Posts: 224 Location: East Sussex Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:19 pm    Post subject: Sister E.F. McLarty and Private J.J. Sinclair, ATS neither on CWGC or SNWM Any details? Tony _________________ Pte. W. BROWN, Middlesex Regiment, K.I.A Battle of The Somme. Sgt. J. V. MURPHY, The Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders, D.O.W Monte Cassino, Italy. Back to top DelBoy Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Posts: 4858 Location: The County of Angus Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:47 pm    Post subject: MacLarty & Sinclair Tony, I cannot find either on CWGC or SNWM either. Elizabeth Flora MacNiven MacLarty, a Hospital Nurse (unmarried) died on 21st April 1944 at Southfield Sanatorium, Edinburgh of Pulmonary T.B. aged 29. Her home address was Glen Etive, Taynuilt. From this obituary notice it appears she was released from the Q.A.I.N.S. before she died. (Glasgow Herald Saturday 22nd of April 1944) Anna Jane Sinclair, single (no profession given) died on 26th February 1946 at Taynuilt aged 24. She died of Pulmonary T.B. Cheers, Derek. Last edited by DelBoy on Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:11 pm; edited 1 time in total Back to top kinnethmont Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 1649 Location: Aberdeenshire Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:07 pm    Post subject: Elizabeth Flora MacNiven MacLarty Quote: From this obituary notice it appears she was released from the Q.A.I.N.S. before she died. It might be that she was medically discharged, but you would require her NOK to obtain ( at a cost) her service file to confirm it. It seems odd that the DC gives TB as the cause and the obit gives pneumonia. _________________ Jim If ye break faith with us who die We shall not sleep, though poppies grow In Flanders fields. www.kinnethmont.co.uk Back to top DelBoy Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Posts: 4858 Location: The County of Angus Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:51 pm    Post subject: Rev John Campbell MacGregor jamiemcginlay wrote: MacGregor John C. Cameron Highlanders 4th Reverend Edinburgh SNWM add ten days to date of death and the newspaper obit gets regiment attachment wrong. CWGC double barrell the middle name and surname. Also listed upon the Ministers memorial at St Giles Cathederal. (Glasgow Herald 11th of November 1916) "Died of wounds on the 4th last, the Rev. John Campbell MacGregor, attached Scottish Rifles. minister of St. Oran's Parish, Edinburgh, aged 46 years." CWGC Name: CAMPBELL-MACGREGOR, The Rev. JOHN Initials: J Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Chaplain 4th Class Regiment/Service: Army Chaplains' Department Secondary Regiment: Cameron Highlanders Secondary Unit Text: attd. 4th Bn. Age: 46 Date of Death: 04/11/1916 Additional information: Minister of St. Oran's Parish Church, Edinburgh. A native of Taynuilt, Argyll. Son of John MacGregor and Catherine Campbell. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: I. D. 5. Cemetery: JANVAL CEMETERY, DIEPPE SNWM Surname: MacGREGOR Firstname: John Campbell Date Death: 14/11/1916 SNWM roll: ARMY CHAPLAINS DEPARTMENT Rank: Rev Back to top Adam Brown Curator Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 7312 Location: Edinburgh (From Sutherland) Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:50 am    Post subject: Re: Rev John Campbell MacGregor DelBoy wrote: MacGregor John C. Reverend, Edinburgh Also listed upon the Ministers memorial at St Giles Cathederal. And the Kingsknowe Golf Club memorial in Edinburgh. Adam Back to top kinnethmont Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 1649 Location: Aberdeenshire Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:51 pm    Post subject: Rev John Campbell MacGregor Quote: CWGC double barrell the middle name and surname. CWGC do not create the details in Additional information, this is down to his NOK. In this case they verified CAMPBELL-MACGREGOR twice. 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