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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:45 pm    Post subject: New Abbey Reply with quote

NEW ABBEY War Memorial

Stands in a small enclosure next to the Abbey at New Abbey approx 6 miles south of Dumfries on the A710

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

UKNIWM Ref: 5875

A couple of pics of other inscriptions


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting lettering on this memorial. It looks a very 1920s style. I notice it lists unit but not rank and there are quite a few Canadians listed for the number of names.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no listing for a Charles Farish on the CWGC nor in the C.E.F. on-line attestations.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a Pte. Samuel Farish, #2378745, who was killed in action on the 28th of August, 1918 while serving with the 52nd Battalion. He listed his birthplace as the county of Dumfries so this could be the same person?

I tried to attach the links to the above but unfortunately the Forum wouldn't allow me to do so.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derek, you have one of your 28th Battalion lads on the Memorial.

Pte George McCall, #178248, 87th Bn, link.
L/Cpl William McCubbing, M.M., #2336301, 50th Bn, link.
Pte William Andrew Currie McKie, #782381, 28th Bn, link.
Piper James Thomson, #28694, 16th Bn, link. CWGC list him as a Private but according to Ted Wigney's "The C.E.F. Roll of Honour", he was a Piper.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris.wight wrote:
There is a Pte. Samuel Farish, #2378745, who was killed in action on the 28th of August, 1918 while serving with the 52nd Battalion. He listed his birthplace as the county of Dumfries so this could be the same person?

I tried to attach the links to the above but unfortunately the Forum wouldn't allow me to do so.


There was a Charles Farish born in about 1884 in Lochrutton (about 11 miles from New Abbey) according to 1901 census - I don't know anything more about him but perhaps it was he who joined the canadians and is commemorated?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Samuel Farish is commemorated on an individual memorial in Kirkmichael posted here http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=1788&highlight=individual so I think it unlikely he is also commemorated in New Abbey

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Paul for the extra information.

I went and had a look at my history of the 14th Battalion and found our man, except that his last name was spelled with an "e".

Pte Charles Ferish, #63345, 14th Battalion, link. According to Ted Wigney's "The C.E.F. Roll of Honour", he was listed in the De Ruvigny Roll of Honour book.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

program for original unveiling



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris.wight wrote:
Thanks Paul for the extra information.

I went and had a look at my history of the 14th Battalion and found our man, except that his last name was spelled with an "e".

Pte Charles Ferish, #63345, 14th Battalion, link. According to Ted Wigney's "The C.E.F. Roll of Honour", he was listed in the De Ruvigny Roll of Honour book.


I thought I had an explanation for FARISH/FERISH when I found a Dumfries Birth Register entry for Charles Farish where the Registrar has annotated a change to Ferish. However the date is 14 February 1874 which would make him 41 at death. His attestation papers give 17 January 1885 at Dumfries - which would make him 30 at death.

I know from other research that it was not unusual for "older" men to give false dates of birth (James Milroy 114764 RCD was born 14/1/1875 but gave 14/1/1882 on enlistment - died 1917 aged 42.) but, as per this example, they seem to stick with day and month.

Just to confuse things further the Dumfries & Galloway Standard of 19 June 1915 reports that a Mr&Mrs R Varney of Troqueer had been informed that their nephew, Charles FARISH, of the Canadian Infantry had been KIA on 29 May. He had been in Canada for about 3 years prior to the outbreak of war and was aged 24 (!) - So a DoB of c1891

He is listed in the Stewartry Roll of Honour as of Troqueer, enlisted in 14th Battalion and KIA 29 May, but that's it.

A search of the Scottish Birth records from 1875 to 1900, using F*rish, Charles, returns only the 1875 one detailed above, so I'm really no further forward.

Any ideas?
Is he listed in the De Ruvigny Roll of Honour?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The FARISH/FERISH story is a bit of a puzzle but I think this is the history

Born 17 January 1884 at Easthill Cottage, Lochrutton, Kirkcudbrightshire as CHARLES FARRIES, son of Thomas and Sarah (Varney) Farries.

On the 1891 census CHARLES FARRIES, age 7, is at Grey Morrin Cottage, Troqueer, Kirkcudbrightshire with his uncle and aunt Robert and Ellen Varney. Place of birth, Lochrutton.

On the 1901 census CHARLES FARISH, a lodger, age 17 and an apprentice gardener, is at Moffat Rd. Dumfries. Place of birth Lochrutton.

In 1911 CHARLES FARISH is listed as a passenger sailing from Glasgow to Halifax, Canada.

On 3 November 1914 CHARLES FERISH enlists in CIF giving a DoB of 17 January 1885 at Dumfries. He is killed in action on 29 May 1915.

On 19 June 1915 the local newspaper reports that Mr. & Mrs. R. Varney of Grey Morrin Cottage, Troqueer have been informed that their Nephew, CHARLES FARISH serving with Canadian Forces was KIA 29 May.
He served his time as a gardener at Marchmont and later was employed by Mr. Keswick at Mabie. He had been in Canada for about 3 years before the outbreak of war.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well you've convinced me. Well researched. 3 different spellings of surname Shocked

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