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apanderson · Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 4:10 pm Post subject: John Kilgour Baker

Not a query as such ........

Name: BAKER, JOHN KILGOUR
Initials: J K
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Captain
Regiment/Service: Cameronians (Scottish Rifles)
Unit Text: 1st Bn.
Age: 36
Date of Death: 09/10/1918
Additional information: Son of Margaret Robertson Baker, of Stirling, and the late Leonard Baker; husband of Audrey Carrington Baker, of 14, Stracey Rd., Norwich.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: II. E. 21.
Cemetery: MONTAY-NEUVILLY ROAD CEMETERY, MONTAY

Surname BAKER
Firstname J K
Date Death 09/10/1918
Place of birth Stirling
Other 12th Bn.
SNWM roll THE CAMERONIANS (SCOTTISH RIFLES)
Rank T/Capt
Theatre of death France.

Only J. K. Baker listed on both CWGC & SNWM

Listed on:
St. Andrew’s Church, Baillieston.
Stirling Civic Memorial
Coatbridge Technical School
Coatbridge High School

In the 1891 Census, he was living with his parents at 22 Albert Place, Stirling (with a squad of siblings)

In the 1901 Census, he was still at 22 Albert Place and his occupation was listed as 'Art P L High School of Art' which is probably Ancestry's version of 'Art Pupil' etc.

This man has intrigued me for a while - he seems to pop up in loads of places. I've written the memorials I can remember, but I think there's more.

I know it's very common for men to be listed on more than one memorial - Stirling because he was born there, Coatbridge - did he go to school there?, Baillieston .....? then he ended up down south.

I downloaded his MIC which lists him as John Kildour Baker, his rank as (5158) Sergeant in R.S.F. (I think), then T/Captain (the T looks as though it's been scored out) and on the reverse side it gives the following info:

Address: G. G. Baker Esq. (son, 2? years of age)
C/o G. Gillespie (Guardian)
75? St. Vincent Street, Glasgow

So, I'm wondering if anyone else can remember him anywhere else?

Anne

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apanderson · Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:14 pm Post subject:

Curiouser and curiouser ......?

Next thought - if he was an Art Teacher, I wonder where he would have gained his qualifications?

I know the new Stirling High School houses the stained glass memorial from the old Stirling High School, but after just having had a look at it - there's no names.

http://web.stirlinghigh.co.uk/heritage/memorial-window.html

Ken Morrison kindly sent me this wee snippet:

London Gazette 28979 page 9502 published 17 November 1914
12th Battalion The Cameronians (Scottish Rifles)
John Kilgour Baker to be Temporary Lieutenant. Dated 3 November 1914.

Anne

Stewartry · Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 274 Location: nr Nottingham

His officer file will be held at the National Archives and is likely to be:

WO 339/12547 BAKER J K, Capt 1914-1919

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apanderson · Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:23 pm Post subject:

Back in 2008, the man detailed below caused a bit of a mystery as he appeared on umpteen memorials but we didn't know the connection.

"The following man is also commemorated on a Church Memorial which is now housed in St. Andrew's Parish Church in Baillieston.

http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=1659

It is unknown what the connection is with Baillieston.

Name: BAKER, JOHN KILGOUR
Initials: J K
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Captain
Regiment/Service: Cameronians (Scottish Rifles)
Unit Text: 1st Bn.
Age: 36
Date of Death: 09/10/1918
Additional information: Son of Margaret Robertson Baker, of Stirling, and the late Leonard Baker; husband of Audrey Carrington Baker, of 14, Stracey Rd., Norwich.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: II. E. 21.
Cemetery: MONTAY-NEUVILLY ROAD CEMETERY, MONTAY"

Just by chance, I came across a Death Notice in the Glasgow Herald for what appears to be for his first wife Jane Gillespie and as she died at 'Calder View', Baillieston, I think this is the link we needed. His parents are buried in Holy Rude Kirkyard in Stirling, but there is no mention of John on the family stone there.

DC Reads: Jane Baker nee Gillespie, age 28, wife of John Kilgour Baker, Art Master, died 7th September 1912 at Calder View, Muirhead Road, Baillieston

The newspaper notice (below) shows that John was Art Master at Coatbridge, so this explains why he appears on some Coatbridge Memorials.

mhomac · Joined: 15 May 2010 Posts: 779 Location: South Lanarkshire

John Kilgour Baker is listed on the War Memorial in Coatbridge High School.

The image is shown on Lanarkshire Schools Memorials page on this forum.