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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:32 pm    Post subject: CRIEFF, ARDVRECK SCHOOL WW1 (1) Reply with quote




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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IN MEMORIAM ET IN SPEM

1914 1918

TO THE MEMORY OF OLD ARDVRECK BOYS
WHO GAVE THEIR LIVES FOR THEIR COUNTRY IN THE
GREAT WAR AND WHOSE NAMES ARE RECORDED HERE

R. ABERCROMBY LOST LUSITANIA
W.C. ADAMSON CAPT. R.F.C.
R.F. BAXTER LIEUT. R. SUSSEX
F.E. BISSETT CAPT. GORDONS
C. BURNLEY-CAMPBELL LT. A & S HIGH.
C.C.K. CAMPBELL CAPT. CAMERONS
F.A. COCHRAN LIEUT. GORDONS
G. COLLIER LT. SCOT. RIFLES
I. COWAN FLAG LT. R.N.
A.R. DAVIDSON CAPT. GORDONS
C.E.D. DUBS CAPT. LANCERS
B.O. DUFF CAPT. GURKHAS
D.M. DUNDAS MAJ. 17TH N.I.
C.C. EGERTON LIEUT. D. OF WELLS.
J. FERGUSON CAPT. R. SCOTS
R.A.A. FERGUSSON CAPT. COLDSTMS.
J.G. FERGUSSON LIEUT. BLK. WATCH
J.A.H. FERGUSSON LIEUT. H.L.I.
H.F. FORRESTER LIEUT. BLK. WATCH
H.S. GAMMELL, M.C., CAPT. GORDONS
G.B. GILROY, M.C., LIEUT. BLK. WATCH
G. GORDON LIEUT. NORTHANTS.
H. GORDON LIEUT. K.O.S.B.
T.W. HUTCHISON CAPT. R. SCOTS
C. ISAACSON CAPT. R. SCOTS
A. KEITH-MURRAY LIEUT. BLK. WATCH
J.L. KELSALL, M.C., CAPT. R.F.A.
G. LAMBART CAPT. HUSSARS
A.E.G. LEADBETTER CAPT. R.H.A.
R.G. LOUDON LT. SCOT. RIFLES
A.F. LUMSDEN, D.S.O., BRIG. GEN. R. SCOTS
H.T. LUMSDEN MAJ. CAMERONS
C.R. LUMSDEN CAPT. GORDONS
J.A. MACGREGOR LIEUT. COLDSTMS.
G.M. MACKENZIE CAPT. SEAFORTHS
I.A. MANN, M.C., LIEUT. R.F.C.
W. BURT-MARSHALL CAPT. A & S HIGH
J. MAXWELL LIEUT. SCOTS FUS.
J.L. MITCHELL MAJ. R.F.A.
M.C. MOWBRAY, M.C., LIEUT. R.E.
H.C.S. MUNRO, M.C., CAPT. SEAFORTHS
H. MUSGRAVE, D.S.O., MAJ. R.E.
C.J. MURRAY LIEUT. COLDSTMS.
W.G. NAIRNE LIEUT. S. LANCS.
C. NORIE-MILLER LIEUT. A.S.C.
R. PARKINSON LIEUT. R.N.
J.I. PHILLIPS CAPT. CHESHIRES
A.B. PORTER LIEUT. H.L.I.
J.R. PURVIS LIEUT. R. BRIGADE
L. RICHMOND LIEUT. GORDONS
A.S. ROSS LIEUT. CAMERONS
N. SHAIRP CAPT. YEOMANRY
H.F.D. STIRLING, M.C., CAPT. IND. ARMY
J. STUART LIEUT. BLK. WATCH
H. THOMPSON, D.S.O., LT. COL. R.S. FUS.
P.S. FRASER-TYTLER CAPT. R.F.A.
A.S. WARRAND LIEUT. BLK. WATCH
J.N. WILSON CAPT. BLK. WATCH
O.I. WOOD CAPT. SUFFOLKS
C.F. YOUNGER LIEUT. LOTHIAN & B.H.

THEIR NAME LIVETH FOR EVERMORE
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Three memorials were raised after WW1 in memory of the former pupils of Ardvreck School, Crieff, who gave their lives. This one is still situated within Crieff Parish Church. There was a bronze tablet erected in the former St. Columba's Episcopal Church, Crieff, but is not in their new building. The third was another bronze memorial placed in Ardvreck School Library. I'm wondering if the St. Columba's one went back to the school also.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Name: GREENSHIELDS-LEADBETTER, ALAN EDMONSTOUNE
Initials: A E
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Major
Regiment/Service: Royal Horse Artillery
Unit Text: L Bty. 15th Bde.
Age: 21
Date of Death: 04/08/1917
Awards: Mentioned in Despatches
Additional information: Son of Thomas Greenshields-Leadbetter, of Spital Tower, Denholm, Co. Roxburghshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: II. E. 22.
Cemetery: CANADA FARM CEMETERY

See: http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=1378&highlight=bedrule
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The most senior rank listed

LUMSDEN, ALFRED FORBES
Initials: A F
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Brigadier General
Regiment/Service: General Staff
Unit Text: Cdg. 46th Inf. Brigade
Secondary Regiment: Royal Scots
Secondary Unit Text: late
Age: 41
Date of Death: 24/06/1918
Awards: D S O
Additional information: Son of James Forbes Lumsden; husband of Ethel Lumsden, of 22, Clarendon Villas, Hove, Sussex.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: VI. G. 33.
Cemetery: DUISANS BRITISH CEMETERY, ETRUN

And a couple of the other names

FRASER-TYTLER, P S
Initials: P S
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Captain
Regiment/Service: Royal Field Artillery
Unit Text: "D" Howitzer Bty. 36th Bde
Age: 24
Date of Death: 03/08/1916
Additional information: Son of James William and C. A. Fraser-Tytler, of The Priory, Melrose, Roxburghshire. Born at Woodhouselee, Midlothian.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: IV. E. 10.
Cemetery: PERONNE ROAD CEMETERY, MARICOURT

MUNRO, HECTOR CHARLES SEYMOUR
Initials: H C S
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Captain
Regiment/Service: Seaforth Highlanders
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Age: 23
Date of Death: 23/10/1918
Awards: M C
Additional information: Son of Sir Hector Munro 11th Bart., and Lady Munro, of Foulis Castle, Evanton, Ross-shire. Born in Ross-shire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: I. C. 3.
Cemetery: ST. SOUPLET BRITISH CEMETERY

Captain Munro is also listed on the Evanton War Memorial
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DUFF, BEAUCHAMP OSWALD
Initials: B O
Nationality: Indian
Rank: Captain
Regiment/Service: 1st King George's Own Gurkha Rifles (The Malaun Regiment)
Secondary Regiment: 2nd King Edward's Own Gurkha Rifles (The Sirmoor Rifles)
Secondary Unit Text: attd 2nd Bn.
Age: 34
Date of Death: 07/11/1914
Additional information: Order of St. John of Jerusalem in England. Son of the late Gen. Sir Beauchamp Duff, G.C.B., and Lady Duff; husband of Mary Duff. Served in the Waziristan and Somaliland Campaigns (1901-4).
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 16 and 17.
Memorial: NEUVE-CHAPELLE MEMORIAL

This Indian Army officer is also listed on the Glenalmond College War Memorial along with Captain Duff's father.

DUNDAS, DAVID GEORGE MINDEN
Initials: D G M
Nationality: Indian
Rank: Major
Regiment/Service: 17th Indian Infantry (Loyal Regiment)
Age: 37
Date of Death: 10/02/1918
Awards: Mentioned in Despatches
Additional information: Son of Sir George Whyte Melville Dundas, of Beechwood, 5th Bart., and Lady Dundas (nee Wilson), of Comrie House, Comrie, Perthshire. Buried in Dinapore No. 3 Cemetery.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Face 31.
Memorial: MADRAS 1914-1918 WAR MEMORIAL, CHENNAI
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:30 pm    Post subject: Crieff, Ardvreck School Memorial. WW1 Reply with quote

C.Isaacson, M.C., Royal Scots.

This entry is a little misleading and infact refers to Capt.Colin de Stuteville Isaacson, who was commissioned into the Royal Scots in 1902 and having attained the rank of Captain by 1907, he then resigned his commission in order to settle in British East Africa.
On the outbreak of the Great War he offered his services and he joined the East African Forces serving with the mounted infantry in the early part of the war. He was later to act as Staff Captain to General O'Grady, and it was whilst employed in this roll that he was mortally wounded leading an attack against the Germans near Lindi, German East Africa on 11th June,1917. He died from these wounds 5 hours later.
Whilst serving in East Africa he had been awarded the Military Coss and was also Mentioned in Despatches.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is the CWGC entry for Captain Isaacson

ISAACSON, COLIN De STUTEVILLE
Rank: Captain
Date of Death: 11/06/1917
Age: 33
Regiment/Service: East African Unattached List
Awards: M C
Grave Reference: 6. C. 16.
Cemetery: DAR ES SALAAM WAR CEMETERY
Additional Information: Son of Maj. J. De S. Isaacson (Royal Scots) and Mrs. K. De S. Isaacson, of 3, Pelham Place, South Kensington, London, England.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Presumably the first man listed is Ralph Frank Abercromby who died whilst returning to the UK to enlist.

http://www.rmslusitania.info/people/second-cabin/ralph-abercromby/

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:54 pm    Post subject: Crieff, Ardvreck School Memorial, WW1 Reply with quote

Thanks Adam.

Yes, this would appear to be him. I suppose that he was a casualty of the war--although probably not quite how he would have imagined, or indeed hoped, that he might have died?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lt G B Gilroy and Lt C F Younger are both listed on the Grange Cricket Club memorial Edinburgh

http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=5708

And from that thread...

DelBoy wrote:
G.B. Gilroy M.C. - Capt - Black Watch

Also on the Cupar memorial, without M.C. listed.

GILROY, GEORGE BRUCE
Rank: Captain
Date of Death: 15/07/1916
Age: 27
Regiment/Service: Black Watch (Royal Highlanders) 8th Bn.
Awards: M C (Military Cross)
Grave Reference: Plot 1. Row D. Grave 26.
Cemetery: CORBIE COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION
Additional Information: Son of Geo. A. and Annie B. Gilroy, of Cupar, Fife.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Crieff, Ardvreck School Memorial, WW1 Reply with quote

robert smith wrote:
Thanks Adam.

Yes, this would appear to be him. I suppose that he was a casualty of the war--although probably not quite how he would have imagined, or indeed hoped, that he might have died?

Robert


Robert

Following the Peerage link on the Lusitania page takes you to his Grandfather where you find the family came from Forglen in Banffshire and Ralph Abercromby is listed on that memorial too.

http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=2931

It seems he was either destined for the Royal Engineers or had already signed up in North America?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:57 am    Post subject: Update of info Ralph Frank Abercromby Reply with quote

Ralph Frank Abercromby Royal Engineers born Skene 27/08/1893 Age 21 Drowned At Sea 07-May-15 Son of Douglas Charles Abercromby & Helen Lousia Hodgson Murray. Drowned in the sinking of the Lusitania. The War Book of Turriff & 12 Miles Round : Page 261. 1901 Census: Croft House, Peterculter. 1911 Census: Wales: 55 Marine Terr; Aberystwyth: Lodger. Ardreck School memorial in Crieff.
Abercromby’s name is given on the Saturday, May 8, list of passengers and in an article about passengers from Cincinnati, Ohio. He was described as a 21-year-old Scotsman who had been working in Ohio for the B and O. S. O. Railroad. He had quit his job just two weeks prior to sailing. The purpose of his trip aboard Lusitania was to return to England to join the Army.
Per the list of interments, he was Body #23, body removed.
Lusitania Memorial Cobh, nr Cork Ireland Rothienorman & Crieff


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Francis Alexander Cochran 2nd Lt 1st Gordon Highlanders Age 20 Killed in Action F & F 25-Sep-15 Son of Francis James Cochran, Balfour, Aboyne & Emily Brown, his wife. Educated Ardreck School memorial in Crieff. City Roll of Honour : Craigentoul, Murtle. Voters Roll 18/19 Francis (Advocate). Officers Book page 166. Hooge Crater Cemetery, Zillebeke B 112 Sp Mem A 9 Birse City & Crieff
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Archibald Randall Davidson Capt Gordon Highlanders Age 21 Killed in Action F & F 05-Jun-17 Son of Maj G H Davidson DSO (Royal Scots) Craigdarroch, St Fillans, Perthshire & the late Ethel Maud Fairburn Davidson. Educated Ardreck School memorial in Crieff. Officers Book page 166. Educated Ardvreck, Crieff, Perthshire. Arras Memorial M. R. 20 Panel 8 & 9 Ardreck School, Crieff
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