The Scottish Military Research Group - Commemorations Project Forum Index The Scottish Military Research Group - Commemorations Project
(Registered Scottish Charity No. SC043826). Please visit our homepage at www.scottishmilitaryresearch.co.uk
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

ABERUTHVEN

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    The Scottish Military Research Group - Commemorations Project Forum Index -> Perth & Kinross - Civic Memorials
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
jamiemcginlay



Joined: 20 Dec 2006
Posts: 930
Location: Glasgow

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A photo of the memorial before the addition of the plaque. I take it this was necessary and the carved names had become badly worn, which might explain why I don't have a close up picture of the names.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
dhubthaigh
Our first ever 1000-poster


Joined: 19 Dec 2006
Posts: 5071
Location: Blairgowrie, Perthshire

PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was speaking with the minister for The Stewartry of Strathearn recently and part of the conversation was about the W.M. at Aberuthven. He mentioned that a new Great War plaque had been affixed as the names had weathered and were unreadable. He went on to say that rumour held some sort of a mistake had been made but couldn't expand on this.

Well, I've just dug out the unveiling report from the Strathearn Herald dated 25th October 1919 - and it contains a list of names.

There has indeed been a mistake for the list contains the name of;

Pte. Donald Archibald 11th A & S Highlanders (brother of James).

As you will see his name has been ommitted from the new plaque!!

Name: ARCHIBALD, DONALD
Initials: D
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
Unit Text: 11th Bn.
Age: 19
Date of Death: 20/04/1917
Service No: S/5078
Additional information: Son of David Archibald, of 23, Ardgowan Place, Cowie, Bannockburn, Stirlingshire. Born Forgandenny, Perthshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: I. B. 24.
Cemetery: FEUCHY CHAPEL BRITISH CEMETERY, WANCOURT

P.S.

Worthy of note is that Aberuthven was the first community in the county of Perth to erect an outdoor memorial.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
dhubthaigh
Our first ever 1000-poster


Joined: 19 Dec 2006
Posts: 5071
Location: Blairgowrie, Perthshire

PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

THE STRATHEARN HERALD: 25.10.1919

UNVEILING WAR MEMORIAL AT ABERUTHVEN

THE DUKE OF ATHOLL AT CEREMONY


To the village of Aberuthven, some two miles from Auchterarder, falls the honour of being the first community in the county of Perth to erect an outdoor memorial to the men of the district who fell in the war.
The work of raising funds for the memorial was undertaken by a committee, with Mr Thos. L. Anderson of Damside as Convenor; the Rev. Jas. MacMillan, Aberuthven, as Vice-Convenor; and Mr Thos. Campbell, Schoolhouse, as Secretary; and so gratifying was the response to the appeal that in the village and district a sum of £451 was soon collected. It was decided that the memorial should take the form of a Celtic cross, and it was arranged that the surplus money, after meeting the expense of the execution and erection of the memorial, should be allocated among the seven men of the village and district who had been disabled in the fighting. The Celtic Cross, which is of red granite, and designed by Mr A. D. Hislop, architect, Glasgow, occupies a site in the centre of the village facing the main roadway, and on the cross is the following inscription:-
“In honoured memory of the officer, n.c.o.’s, and men of Aberuthven, who fell in the Great War, 1914-1918 - Lieut.-Col. Graeme, C.M.G., 1st Cameron Highlanders; Corp. James Scott, 1st Seaforth Highlanders; Pte. Donald Archibald, 11th A. & S. Highlanders; Pte. James Archibald, 6th Royal Highlanders; Pte. John Barnett, 2nd Scots Guards; Pte. John Brown, 2nd Gordon Highlanders; Pte. James Brown, 1st Royal Highlanders; Pte. William Cairns, 6th Royal Highlanders; Pte. Charles M’Kenzie, 6th Royal Highlanders; Pte. Andrew Wylie; 12th Royal Scots; Pte. James Wylie, 3rd Australian Imperial Infantry. Their names liveth forevermore”.

THE UNVEILING CEREMONY

Mr T. L. Anderson, of Damside presided at the unveiling ceremony, and the large company included the Duke of Atholl, K.T.; Lady Wilson of Kippen; Sir William Haldane of Fosswell, Lady Haldane and Miss Haldane; Col. Graeme of Garvock; Captain Graeme, Seaforth Highlanders, Fort George; the Misses Graeme, Aberuthven Lodge; Mrs Drummond Forbes of Millearne; Mr George Buchanan of Gask; Mrs Anderson and Misses Anderson, Damside; Mrs Young and party, Belvidere; Rev. James MacMillan, Aberuthven; Rev. Robt. Gardiner and Mrs Gardiner, Auchterarder; Mr John Cairns, Belhie; Mr Robert Carmichael, Mr and Mrs peter Carmichael, Kirklands; Mr R. Whitehead, Drumtogle; Mr and Mrs T. Campbell, Schoolhouse; Mr and Mrs Fletcher, North Strathy; Mr and Mrs David Allardice; Mr William Drummond, Broadleys; Mrs Barclay, Aberuthven; Mrs Morris, Laigh of Rossie; Miss Straiton; Mr and Mrs James Stewart, Ochilview; Mr and Mrs John M’Ewan, &c.
The Chairman (Mr Anderson) said it must be a unique day in the history of their village. They were met to do honour to those very brave men from among them who were killed in the war, and on the Cross which would shortly be unveiled they would find the names of these heroes engraved. He was sure that all who lived there and all who passed them by would regard it as a sacred trust to preserve that Cross and its surroundings from harm for all time. They were met for one other purpose, closely allied to the first. There were some amongst them who, though very fortunately able to be there that day, had suffered grievously from wounds and other causes, and to these equally brave men they decided to make presentations, which, however inadequate he was sure they would accept as a token of sincere gratitude for what they had done and suffered for their country. (Applause)
The Duke of Atholl said they saw these monuments being erected all over the country. The idea of erecting them sprang from a spontaneous feeling everywhere. Perhaps he took a different view from some people with regard to these monuments, when he felt they were not altogether monuments to the memory of those who fell, but rather remembrances to future generations of what the present generation thought of the men who had fallen in the fighting. That, to his mind, was a far nobler thing than merely commemorating the names of the men. The present generation did not require to put up a monument to remember the men of their own generation, and for what they did for them, and for all that the sacrifice of their lives meant. They were not putting up a monument for that, but surely, he thought, they were really putting up these monuments as a token of gratitude and appreciation of what the men had done for the country. (Applause)
The ceremony of then unveiling the cross was then performed by Miss Louisa Graeme, and a peculiarly impressive touch was imparted to the proceedings by the playing of the ‘Flowers of the Forest’ on the bagpipes by Pipe-Major Alexander Stewart and Corporal Robert Imrie, both from Blair castle. From the village schoolchildren came a tribute in the form of a laurel wreath, which was laid at the base of the cross by Maisie M’Lean, the youngest pupil in the school, while another wreath was placed in position by Miss Emily Graeme “In glorious memory of the brave men who died for their country”.
A short and impressive dedication service followed, and was conducted by the rev. Jas. MacMillan and the Rev. Robert Gardiner. Thereafter the presentation to the disabled soldiers took place. The Duke of Atholl spoke a few kindly words to the heroes and Mrs Anderson, Damside, handed over the gift of money to each of the men. The recipients were Samuel Hutton, Wm. M’Kinnon, Nicol Stewart, Peter Johnston, Peter Hutton, John Cameron and John Fletcher.
Votes of thanks were proposed by the Duke of Atholl, Captain Graeme and the Rev. Mr MacMillan, the last-named acknowledging the great kindness shown in the memorial movement by Mr Anderson, Damside; and the proceedings terminated with the playing of the pipers of ‘The Highland Laddie” and ‘The Atholl March”.


Last edited by dhubthaigh on Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:16 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
dhubthaigh
Our first ever 1000-poster


Joined: 19 Dec 2006
Posts: 5071
Location: Blairgowrie, Perthshire

PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surname McKENZIE
Firstname Charles
Service Number 1518
Date Death 31/08/1916
Decoration
Place of birth Blairgowrie Perthshire
Other 6th Bn.
SNWM roll THE BLACK WATCH (ROYAL HIGHLANDERS)
Rank Pte
Theatre of death F.& F.

Name: McKENZIE, CHARLES HENRY
Initials: C H
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)
Unit Text: 1st/6th Bn.
Age: 18
Date of Death: 31/08/1916
Service No: 1518
Additional information: Son of Henry and Margaret McKenzie, of Scones, Lethendy, Perth. Born at Rattray, Blairgowrie, Perthshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: I. F. 12.
Cemetery: CITE BONJEAN MILITARY CEMETERY, ARMENTIERES


BLAIRGOWRIE ADVERTISER: 09.09.1916
BLAIRGOWRIE MAN'S GRANDSON KILLED


Mr M'Kenzie, Gask, son-in-law of Mr David Paterson, 18 Harriet Row, Blairgowrie, has received notice that his son, Pvt. Charles H. M'Kenzie, Black Watch, was killed in action on 31st August.
In a letter from the chaplain it is stated that a raid having to be made on a German position, volunteers were called for, and amongst those who responded was Pvt. M'Kenzie. Two shells or trench mortars fell among the party and accounted for a good many men. Pvt. M'Kenzie was seriously wounded. He was dressed by the doctor, and sent in a car to the field ambulance, but just as he entered the field hospital he breathed his last. In the afternoon he was buried in a military cemetery some distance behind the line, the location of which would be made known to the parents when the military situation permits. The chaplain adds that he conducted the service, and "In our prayers we gave thanks for the bravery of your lad, for the sacrifice for his country, and for the peace he has attained to through Christ, in Whose sacrifice he had part. While you sorrow, you will be proud of how he died".
Pvt. M'Kenzie, who worked with his father at Gask, and who was only 18 years of age, was a Territorial, and went to the front about a year and a half ago. He was home on furlough in the end of May.

* ALSO COMMEMORATED ON THE AUCHTERARDER & TRINITY GASK WAR MEMORIALS
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
dhubthaigh
Our first ever 1000-poster


Joined: 19 Dec 2006
Posts: 5071
Location: Blairgowrie, Perthshire

PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dhubthaigh wrote:


To the village of Aberuthven, some two miles from Auchterarder, falls the honour of being the first community in the county of Perth to erect an outdoor memorial to the men of the district who fell in the war.


Not so. I have have discovered that the parish of Inchture unveiled and dedicated their memorial on the 12th September, 1919.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
dalblair



Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Posts: 564
Location: coupar angus

PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The man who seems to have been added is
Pte John Brown
2 Gordons

I can find no trace of this man on CWGC although there is a Pte Jones Brown,S/11151, who was 2 Gordons and was kia on 6/9/1916

Difficult to know why he was added-unless the Strathearn article wrongly omitted him?

Can the sleuths find out more?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
dhubthaigh
Our first ever 1000-poster


Joined: 19 Dec 2006
Posts: 5071
Location: Blairgowrie, Perthshire

PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dalblair wrote:
The man who seems to have been added is
Pte John Brown
2 Gordons

I can find no trace of this man on CWGC although there is a Pte Jones Brown,S/11151, who was 2 Gordons and was kia on 6/9/1916

Difficult to know why he was added-unless the Strathearn article wrongly omitted him?

Can the sleuths find out more?


I sleuthed my own transcription and discovered I'd not copied the name of John Brown from the newspaper Embarassed. Well done Hugh.


Surname BROWN
Firstname John
Service Number S/11151
Date Death 06/09/1916
Decoration
Place of birth Aberuthven Perthshire
Other 2nd Bn.
SNWM roll THE GORDON HIGHLANDERS
Rank Pte
Theatre of death F.& F

Name: BROWN, JONES
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Gordon Highlanders
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Date of Death: 06/09/1916
Service No: S/11151
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Pier and Face 15 B and 15 C.
Memorial: THIEPVAL MEMORIAL

THE PEOPLE’S JOURNAL: 26.10.1916
PERTH CASUALTIES


Private John Brown, Gordon Highlanders, eldest son of Mrs Brown, Stewart Place, Caledonian Road, Perth, has been reported as wounded and missing since 6th September. He is 27 years of age, and was for three years in Canada, and was only in this country for one month when he enlisted. Two brothers are serving – Private William Brown, Black Watch, and Bombardier D. Brown, R.F.A. Any information regarding the missing son will be gladly received by his mother.

THE PEOPLE'S JOURNAL: 27.01.1917
PERTH CASUALTIES


Mrs Brown, Stewart Place, Caledonian Road, Perth, has been notified that her son, Private John Brown, Gordon Highlanders, who was reported missing since 6th September last, was killed in action on that date. Twenty-eight years of age Private Brown was well-known in Aberuthven, and came from Canada at the outbreak of war to enlist. Two brothers are serving with the Colours, one in the R.F.A. and the other in the Black Watch.

* Also commemorated on Parish of Auchterarder War Memorial and City of Perth Roll of Honour (Golden Book)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
dalblair



Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Posts: 564
Location: coupar angus

PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Executed by Scott&Rae,sculptors and masons,Glasgow.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
stuartn



Joined: 13 Dec 2016
Posts: 2551

PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:39 am    Post subject: WMR (ex UKNIWM) report Reply with quote

WMR 82366
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    The Scottish Military Research Group - Commemorations Project Forum Index -> Perth & Kinross - Civic Memorials All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group. Hosted by phpBB.BizHat.com