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Trinity United Free Church WW1, Castle Douglas (part Lost)

 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:45 pm    Post subject: Trinity United Free Church WW1, Castle Douglas (part Lost) Reply with quote

UKNIWM Ref: 44380

This is one of six church memorials now to be found in Castle Douglas Parish Church at OS Map Ref: NX 765 622. There is no corresponding WW2 memorial.

There is a puzzle to be solved concerning this memorial and St Ringans WW2 (UKNIWM 44378). Trinity United Free is a WW1 memorial with no corresponding WW2 whereas St Ringans is WW2 with no corresponding WW1. Both boards are very similar and now both reside in Castle Douglas Parish Church I wonder if Trinity United Free became St Ringans between the wars? Both memorials refer to a communion table it is not clear if these refer to the same or different tables or, in fact, if that is the table now in Castle Douglas Church anyway, I photographed the only communion table visible.

Names:
J CARRADICE
W R DEMPSTER
R J HOEY
S KAY
W KAY
W M KELLY
J McROBERT
B RAE
W SMITH
J TWEEDIE







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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fom the Dumfries and Galloway Standard & Advertiser August 24 1921.

TRINITY CHURCH, CASTLE DOUGLAS
War Memorial Unveiled
At the forenoon service in Trinity U. F. Church, Castle-Douglas, on Sunday, a handsome oak Communion table in memory of the men of the congregation who fell in the war was unveiled by the Rev. J. M. Hunter, M.A., M.C., Kirkcudbright, in the presence of a crowded congregation.
The table was designed by Mr. Maxwell Penman, Castle-Douglas and is in keeping with the Gothic architecture of the church. The work was carried out by Messrs Charles Ross & Sons, Glasgow, and the inscription and the names of the fallen are very artistically carved.
In the centre panel the inscription reads: "To the glory of God and in honoured memory of the following members of this church who gave their lives in the great war, 1914-1918. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. This memorial is dedicated by the congregation."
The two side panels contain the following names: John Carradice, W.R. Dempster, Robert J. Hoey, William M. Kelly, Sydney Kay, Walter Kay, James M'Robert, Benjamin Rae, William Smith, and John Tweedie.



Carradice, Kelly, M'Robert, Rae and Tweedie are listed on CD War Memorial.
Hoey, and the Kay Brothers are listed on Crossmichael War Memorial.
William Robert Dempster is listed on the Maxwelltown/Troqueer Memorial and is listed, incorrectly, as George Dempster on the CD Memorial.
William Smith is not listed on any local Memorials but is remembered on the family grave in CD Cemetery. He was 3rd Engineer on the SS "Pomeranian" when it was sunk by U-boat UC77 15 April 1918.
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At one time, there was a RoH.

Kirkcudbrightshire Advertiser, 18 February 1916:

Trinity Church, Castle-Douglas, has just been presented with a new and beautifully illuminated Roll of Honour. It is the work of Miss Jessie Crawford, a distinguished student of the College of Art, Edinburgh. Upwards of forty names are inscribed on it. One of those on the roll made the supreme sacrifice, and several have been wounded and invalided.

The reference to 'supreme sacrifice' is likely to be Ben Rae, 1st Gordons, killed 2 June 1915.
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Rev. Robert Malloch of Castle Douglas Parish Church has had a good look for this Communion table but it is not to be found.
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I understand correctly, the communion table that I was told was part of this memorial (and photographed) is nothing to do with this memorial. The communion table is lost although a plaque with initials (but not full names) has survived. There is also an additional roll of honour which must be presumed lost.

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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul - yes that's my understanding.
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 7:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Trinity United Free Church WW1, Castle Douglas (part Los Reply with quote

spoons wrote:
I wonder if Trinity United Free became St Ringans between the wars?


Paul

The union of Church of Scotland and the United Free Church in 1929 led to the renaming of many UF churches to avoid them having the same name as an existing church. There may have been another Trinity Parish Church in the area and Trinity UF may have become St Ringans.

They should hopefully know at Castle Douglas Parish Church. Some of the older parishioners may have been baptised at Trinity U.F. and would know if it changed name.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:50 pm    Post subject: Benjamin Rae Reply with quote

Benjamin Rae Private 3/6908 1st Bn. Gordon Highlanders Castle Douglas,Kirkcud. Dumfries 25 Killed in Action West-Vlaanderen, Belgium 02/06/1915 Husband of Mrs Rae, 4 Church St; Castle Douglas. Trinity United Free Church. Menin Gate Memorial, Ypres M. R. 29 Panel 38 Dumfries & Galloway Standard 16-6-15 Page 3
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John Carradice age 26 Sapper (491103) No.2 Field Company, Canadian Engineers.
John had worked in the Foundry in Castle Douglas before he emigrated to Canada in 1912.
He was a mechanic and served with the 22nd Regiment of Militia when he enlisted as Private (400937) at London, Ontario in May 1915. He sailed from Halifax, Nova Scotia in March 1916 and transferred to the Engineers before going to France in November. He was posted to 2nd FC in February 1917. John died in the 7th Casualty Clearing Station at Noeux-les-Mines near Bethune.
Born 1891 at Caledonian Road, Hutchesontown, Glasgow. Son of John Carradice and Helen Turnbull of Railway Terrace, Castle Douglas.
Husband of Mrs. Isabel H. Carradice of Thomas Street, Ingersoll, Ontario and of 122 South Water Street, Galt, Ontario
Died of Wounds on 4 August 1917 and buried in Noeux-les-Mines Communal Cemetery, France.
Also named on the Castle Douglas War Memorial and on the Ingersoll War Memorial in Ontario.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kenneth Morrison wrote:

Also named on the Castle Douglas War Memorial and on the Ingersoll War Memorial in Ontario.


This is a bit of an untapped area. How many Scots are listed on war memorials here and in Australia, New Zealand or Canada?

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William Robert Dempster age 26 Private (22155) 8th Battalion, Canadian Infantry.
William was a farm labourer in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan when he joined the local unit the Winnipeg Rifles. This was renamed as the 8th Battalion and William and his fellow soldiers were re-enlisted in September 1914 at Valcartier, Ontario. They arrived in England in October and moved to Ypres in Belgium in April 1915.
Born 1889 at Quincy, Massachusetts, USA.
Son of the late Robert Dempster and Janet (Gordon) Dempster. Robert died in 1908 at Barre, Vermont, USA. Step-son of William Cumming of Millbrae, Maxwelltown. who married Janet Dempster at Castle Douglas in 1913. In 1901, aged 11, William was at King Street, Castle Douglas with sister Mabel (15) and brothers George ("8") and Gordon (6) All four born in the USA
In early 1911 he was working on Meickle Knox Farm, in Buittle Parish but later that year he left for Canada.
Killed in Action on 14 June 1916 and buried in Bedford House Cemetery, Belgium.
Also named, as W. R. Dempster, on the Maxwelltown/Troqueer War Memorial, but as Geoge Dempster on the Castle Douglas War Memorial.
William's brothers, George and Gordon, both served with the Royal Field Artillery and survived the War. George Driver 7461 awarded Military Medal. London Gazette 14/9/1917 p. 9606 and Gordon Gunner 4324 & 655717.
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Robert James Hoey age 24 Pioneer (361050) 52nd Division Signal Company, Royal Engineers.
Robert was a stationer and living at 5 Millpark Terrace, Annan, Dumfriesshire when he enlisted as Private (25387) in the Highland Light Infantry in December 1915. He was posted in February 1917 to the 52nd (Lowland) Division in Egypt as Private (243512) in the 1/6th HLI, joining them in April. In September he was transferred as Private (120609) to the 157th Company of the Machine Gun Corps as a Signaller and in April 1918 he moved with his unit to France. After arriving he was transferred as Pioneer/Signaller to the Royal Engineers.
Born 1894 at Danevale Level Crossing, Crossmichael, Kirkcudbrightshire. Son of James and Mary (Hume) Hoey of Danevale Level Crossing, Crossmichael and of Ladyfield, Glencaple Road, Dumfries.
Killed in Action on 20 June 1918 and buried in La Targette British Cemetery, Neuville-St. Vaast, France.
Also named on the Crossmichael Parish War Memorials and on the Roll of Honour in Crossmichael Parish Church.


Sydney Kay age 21 Private (S/40589) 2nd Battalion, Gordon Highlanders.
Sydney was a ploughman at Mayfield Farm, Kelton near Castle Douglas when he enlisted in January 1916. He was mobilised as Private (S/17669) in the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders in October and sent to France in February 1917 where he was transferred to the 2nd Gordons. In November 1917 his battalion moved to Italy.
Born 1896 at Balmangan Farm, Ross Bay, Borgue, Kirkcudbrightshire.
Son of Janet Nichol Hay. Grandson of James and Agnes (Scott) Kay of Borgue and of Whiteneuk, Clarebrand, Crossmichael.
Killed in Action on 12 July 1918 and buried in Barenthal Military Cemetery, Asiago, Italy.
Also named on the Crosmichael Parish War Memorials and on the Roll of Honour in Crossmichael Parish Church.


and his uncle
(Note: CWGC and the family grave in Crossmichael Churchyard show Sydney and Walter as sons of James and Agnes)

Walter Kay age 31 Private (15135) 11th Battalion, Cameronians (Scottish Rifles)
Walter enlisted in September 1914 and landed with his battalion at Bolougne in September 1915. In November the battalion moved to Salonica in northern Greece.
Born 1887 at Borgue, Kirkcudbrightshire. Son of James and Agnes (Scott) Kay of Borgue and of Whiteneuk, Clarebrand, Crossmichael.
Killed in action on 2 November 1917 and buried in Karasouli Military Cemetery, Greece.
Also named on the Crossmichael Parish War Memorials and on the Roll of Honour in Crossmichael Parish Church.


William McKie Kelly age 23 Driver (4322 & 655715) 261st Brigade, Royal Field Artillery.
William enlisted in September 1914 in the Kirkcudbrightshire Battery, II Lowland Brigade, RFA and landed in Egypt in June 1915. The brigade remained in Egypt while the 52nd (Lowland) Division were in Gallipoli but re-joined and were re-number as 261st RFA in May 1916. They were split off again in April 1918 and remained in Egypt while the Division went to France. William contracted malaria and died in the 71st General Hospital in Cairo.
Born 1894 at Twynholm, Kirkcudbrightshire. Son of Georgina Kelly.
Nephew of Margaret Cairns Burnie of Mollance Cottage, Clarebrand, Crossmichael.
Died on Active Service on 9 November 1918 and buried in Cairo War Memorial Cemetery, Egypt.
Also named on the Roll of Honour in Crossmichael Parish Church, on the Crossmichael Parish War Memorials and on the Castle Douglas War Memorial.
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James Muirhead McRobert age 32 Private (41213) 11th Battalion, Royal Scots.
James was shoemaker and, until he was mobilised, was a temporary rural postman. He enlisted as Private (29979) in the Cameronians (Scottish Rifles) in November 1916. He went to France in March 1917 and was transferred to 11th Royal Scots on 2 April. A week later at Arras, on 9 April, he was wounded. James died of his wounds in the St. John's Ambulance Brigade Hospital at Etaples.
Born 1885 at Castle Douglas in Kelton Parish. Son of Robert and Agnes (Muirhead) McRobert of 97 Cotton Street, Castle Douglas. Husband of Jessie Gordon (McSkimming) McRobert of 99 Cotton Street, Castle Douglas (later Mrs McKenzie of Viaduct Cottage, Gatehouse-of-Fleet) who he married in June 1916 at Castle Douglas.
Died of Wounds on 20 April 1917 and buried in Etaples Military Cemetery, France.
Also named on the Castle Douglas War Memorial and on the Rolls of Honour in Castle Douglas Post Office and the Carpet Bowling Club.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benjamin Rae age 38 - Private (3/6908) 1st Battalion, Gordon Highlanders.
Benjamin was an engineer employed in James Gordon's Implement Works in Castle Douglas when he enlisted in the Army Reserve in September 1914. He was posted to the 1st Gordon Highlanders at Ypres in November 1914 and was killed by a shell when operating as a stretcher bearer.
Born 1877 at King Street, Castle Douglas, in Kelton Parish. Son of the late Benjamin Rae and of Jane (Fergusson) Rae of Abercrombie Square, Castle Douglas. Husband of Mary (Hannah or McClune) Rae of 10 Church Street, Castle Douglas who he married in 1902 in Kirkcudbright.
Missing in Action on 2 June 1915 and named on the Ypres (Menin Gate) Memorial, Belgium.
Also named on the Castle Douglas War Memorial.
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