The Scottish Military Research Group - Commemorations Project

David McNay · Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 4:29 pm Post subject: Hendry Rudge - possible non-comm

Hendry Rudge is commemorated on a stone at Carnwath New Cemetery:

His death certificate notes he is a Lance Corporal in the Royal Engineers. The death certificate doesn't mention his cause of death being related to war service. I'm also unclear if the occupation listed is a previous or current occupation.

Do we have a case for going forward? Obviously getting the service record might prove difficult - unless a proven relative can be located getting the full record would not be possible.

Kenneth Morrison · Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 5:07 pm Post subject:

How odd - He's is on SNWM !
Surname RUDGE
Forename Hendry
Rank L Cpl
Service number 2012310
Decoration
Place of birth Carnwath
Date of death 25 March 1943
Theatre of death in hospital
Cause of death Died
SNWM roll ROYAL ENGINEERS
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Kenneth Morrison · Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 5:11 pm Post subject:

Double Odd!
The next man on the Register page is on CWGC
MURRAY, RONALD
Rank: Driver
Service No: T/192084
Date of Death: 27/03/1943
Regiment/Service: Royal Army Service Corps
Grave Reference:New Part. Row G. Gave 1.
Cemetery:WALMERSLEY (CHRIST CHURCH) CHURCHYARD
Additional Information: Son of Thomas and Elizabeth Ann Murray, of Walmersley.
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Ken

David McNay · Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:34 pm Post subject:

Would an entry in the SNWM, combined with the death entry, be enough, or would a service record be required do you think?

Kenneth Morrison · Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 6:22 am Post subject:

David - I'm really not sure, It may be that the amount of "other" evidence would be enough.

This might help (from Wikipedia)

In 1938, the government established an Emergency Medical Service (E.M.S.) for the expected influx of military and civilian casualties from the anticipated war with Germany. Hairmyres, with its rural location yet good road and rail links was considered an ideal site. Between April 1939 and January 1941 18 new huts were built, with wards containing nearly 400 new beds. A new ward in the old reformatory building, gave Hairmyres a total of 1,090 beds. The first major influx of war casualties came in 1940. Servicemen from Britain, France, Poland, Canada, New Zealand and Australia were patients, with a small number of wounded German and Italian prisoners of war.
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Kenneth Morrison · Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 8:03 am Post subject:

Looking at this again, I think the problem will be the cause of death. (TB)
Hairmyres had a long history of the treatment of tuberculosis so it could be that Hendry was being treated as a "civilian".
I suspect that his service record will be necessary (at a cost - £30)
The rules for obtaining the necessary documents are at:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/requests-for-personal-data-and-service-records
I think your man would fall within the 25 year rule and so would be available without next-of-kin involvement.
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Ken

David McNay · Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 12:19 pm Post subject:

This one might have to go on the back burner for now as obtaining the service record at that cost is out of my budget for the moment.

Might need to discuss with SMRG Committee how we approach things like this where a cost is involved.